THE HELIOCENTRIC LIE?
Fri 3:02 pm +00:00, 21 Feb 2025 28The recent alignment of the planets in the night sky got me thinking, how on Earth, pun intended, are we able to see Venus and Mercury in the night time sky, if they both orbit many millions of miles inside our own orbit. I was trying to visualise it, the half of Earth that is in darkness facing away from the sun and into the dark depths of outer space, towards Mars, Jupiter and Saturn etc. and then thinking Venus was out there in the same vicinity, just didn’t ring true with me.
How can we see Venus and Mercury in the night sky, in the heliocentric model. It did not appear to be possible to my mind, maybe I am missing something.
I then made a comment during an online chat about how I didn’t think it should be possible to be able to see these inner orbiting planets in our night sky. Somebody, with far better computer skills than myself, then picked up on the idea and uploaded a video showing just why it should not be possible to see the planets Venus and Mercury in our night sky. Next, a well known online globe believer/flat Earth debunker, used this video to try to debunk its claims. The debunker explained how we can only see Venus in the sky in the early morning and early evening and he showed this diagram (below) to help prove his point of view. I think he is clutching at straws if he believes this diagram proves his point, very short straws at that.
This is the debunkers diagram below, (sorry the quality seems poor,) notice he has shaded in the dark side of Earth (blue), but the dark side of Venus (orange) is not shaded to define where the day and night line should be visible, so imagine that Venus day/night line yourself. His claimed field of view from the night side of earth is the grey shaded area of sky that covers the top half of the image. This field of view, I do not believe is even remotely possible, but even if it is, if he had shaded the night half of Venus, it would only allow a very small percentage of the illuminated Venus to be visible from Earth, at best. Certainly not a whole clear full circle of light that is captured in footage/seen through telescopes from Earth. This diagram shows Earth and Venus almost as close as they get to one another and the further you move the two planets away from one another in orbit, the more the claims of seeing a full illuminated Venus from Earths night sky just appear to become even more ridiculous, as shown in other diagrams lower down.
The above diagram obviously has no proper scale to it, so lets put some perspective on it. We are told Earth and Venus are almost identical in size, so lets make them an easily manageable size and make them 1 millimetre in size each, we are talking a grain of sugar here. The Sun is 109 times larger in diameter than the Earth, so the sun would be 109 mm in diameter. We are told you can fit 109 suns in the 93 million miles between Earth and the Sun itself, which means the 109mm Sun to scale, would be almost 12 metres away from the 1mm Earth, the Venusian orbit would be an approx. 4 metres inside Earths orbit. Given these details and the diagrams below, how is it possible to see Venus or Mercury in our night sky. I genuinely cannot get my head around the fact that Venus and Mercury are in the totally opposite direction to the field of view that our night sky offers us. This to me makes the heliocentric model a lie. Here are more diagrams of the heliocentric model.
Again Earth and Venus, almost as close as they get, about 25 million miles apart, notice the darkened areas of night sky on both planets and Earths apparent field of view, out towards the outer planets. Obviously Earths night sky can never face the sun and the inner orbiting planets.
This next diagram demonstrates how it becomes more difficult to see Venus the further it moves away from Earth in orbit. Here the Earth is the large white ball in the foreground, but the face of Earth you can see is obviously the night side of Earth. So at what point does it become possible to see Venus at night time, wherever it is in its orbit. Remember at its closest to Earth, Venus will be showing its full night time side to Earths day time side snd it’s approx. 25 million miles away from earth and no night time view would be possible at all.
Again in these next two images, explain to me how Venus is visible from night side of Earth that is clearly facing away from Venus, not forgetting they show us a full brightly lit ball Venus in pictures from Earth. Looking at these images, at best, what you should see, at a push, is the equivalent to a crescent moon type image of Venus at the point of dawn or dusk on Earth, but i am even struggling to see how we would see even a crescent shaped Venus from our night sky.
Then I found this …..
and finally, maybe Roger Spurr has the answer. Maybe you have to be a Nephilim or even a Titan to be able to have a clear view of Venus from the night time side of Earth. To have the fully lit face of Venus facing Earth, it has to be in total opposition to Earths position, a staggering 160 million miles away from Earth, but then it shines at Earths day time sky with the added bonus of a huge freakin’ Sun directly in the way too.
Does anyone have an explanation, I may have missed or misunderstood something that is really quite obvious to others. Maybe some amazing type of light refraxtion?
Hi Kneepad, you can only see these planets at dusk/dawn. When you have just lost or before you gain the sunlight, and if the planet is to the side of the sun, ie the correct side of the sun from your point of view.
The subject seems a bit flat earth’ish to me.
Hello Ian, I’ve always enjoyed your articles and responses on Tap, very interesting guy you are, first of all, it is not about flat earth, although I can fully understand how you reach such a conclusion, the idea has not originated from the flat earth theory model, it is solely about what is clearly visible in our night sky and the heliocentric model, if you read the paragraph between the 3rd and 4th images I clearly state that it is only at dawn and dusk that it is supposed to be visible, but from the diagrams above i cannot see in any way shape or form how it is possible to see/image a fully circular and lit face of Venus in our night sky and it certainly shouldn’t be visible in the same patch of sky as Mars, Jupiter and Saturn,
Hi Kneepad, you won’t get a 100% full lit Venus, but the diagram is not to scale and thus slightly misleading. If Venus is just clear of the Sun behind it but on our side, as soon as it becomes visible it will appear as 100% but will be slightly less. I don’t know the exact percentage. Also bear in mind that to the naked eye, at lesser than full it just appears dimmer, as you can’t see the phases without a telescope.
This book is awesome.
The sun that huge star we led to believe it is, but is a plasma that goes round the earth, and the stars are lights in the firmament not like the Hollywood stage productions.
whatever
Long before the magic wand called Hollywood existed, Galileo discovered moons of Jupiter, invisible to the naked eye but visible with the “newly invented telescope”. Rings round Saturn too are only visible with telescopic aid too. The elliptical orbit of planets, solved by Isaac Newton with his inverse law of gravity, stating that the gravitationa attraction between two bodies is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them, and using this formula, the orbits of planets comets etc can be worked out with precision. There is so much which fits with the official story, and so little that matches a lot of these fantasy, ” it’s all fake narratives”, that I still go with the official, science not FKN Hollywood, version of things until it is proven otherwise.
It is still impossible to photograph or capture in a telescope a full 360 degree circle illuminated face of Venus from Earth given the above diagrams and current knowledge of heliocentric model we have, yet we have pictures from Earth of a fully lit Venus. ive come to the point where i find it hard to believe any of the science we currently follow, as all it is is some very rich peoples paid for opinion, as we have sadly found out with germ theory and a lot of medical practices, implemented to keep us in bad health to make vast profits, our history, is his story and his story belongs to the very rich elite
Yes I understand Kneepad, it did occur to me that Science can’t be trusted. I did mention however that scale is out in the images above. We are 93 million miles from the sun and Venus is 62.25 million miles from the Sun. You know the size that the sun looks from earth ie roughly the size of the moon. It will look slightly larger from Venus. When Venus is to the side of the Sun, 62 million miles away, and we are directly in front of the Sun, Venus is bright enough to see through in broad daylight, yet a telescope would reveal it like a half moon. I never had good enough optics to view Venus next to the sun, but I’ll bet it looks as near full as you’ll get.
All that said, you are entitled to challenge that and hold your own opinion my friend.
“It is still impossible to photograph or capture in a telescope a full 360 degree circle illuminated face of Venus from Earth given the above diagrams and current knowledge of heliocentric model we have, yet we have pictures from Earth of a fully lit Venus”
That is the headscratcher for me. Based on that then how can Venus be visible in the night sky? Which, by definition, is in the opposite direction away from the Earth than Venus is
Hi pete, thats just exactly the way my brain is working, its in totally the opposite direction direction to Earths night sky, by 25 mill miles
and far more at most times, i used a sacle above so i understand that side of things but that just seems to make the whole scenario of seeing Venus more implausible, i thought long and hard before posting this as when i came to the realisation of the whole thing, i was wondering why i had not heard it mentioned before and i didnt want to look like a complete utter and total prat by posting it, most people i explained it to just answered, well it must be correct because we do see it, very few people actually see what i was seeing, i am relieved you can see it too
sorry that should be, “i used a scale above”
i must learn to proof read more than half a dozen times, ha
Welcome to my world Kneepad. You’ve raised a head scratcher which has no clear answer at the moment
Btw, I’m old, and independent, enough not to give a monkeys about what others think of me 🙂
I don’t gaf and nobody can make me either, it’s a liberating perspective tbh
Hi Pete, it’s a dusk and dawn sight, and given that it’s nearly three quarters earth distance from the sun, it can be 63 million miles to one side of the sun. We get dusk when the sun goes below the horizon, Venus can be 63 million miles into earth’s line if vision.
sorry line of vision.
It can also be up to 67 million miles from the Sun
The gif at the top here shows the problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_Venus
Venus is always inside the Earths orbit and so the night sky from Earth is always away from Venus. So how can Venus appear in the night sky on Earth?
If the earth is eg directly in front of the sun, just rotated so that the sun is just below the horizon, and Venus is in the part of it’s orbit causing it to form a 90deg angle with the 90 deg corner being the sun, and it is 67 million miles to one side of the sun, it will be visible in daylight even as a half disc.
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Hence the morning star name for Venus I guess Ian. That explains the daytime view, I think maybe. But what about night time? How can Venus possibly be in the night sky on Earth?
Well Pete, it’s not really. as it’s out from the side on crappy pic I did, it’s visible for various amounts of time before dawn and after dark, hence the name you mention but once it goes behind the sun it’s obviously out of sight.
I think the 5th diagram down, above, demonstrates best what i am trying to get across, it appears to have 2 blue “lines of vision” from Earth, to the half lit Venus that is to the left and right hand sides of the sun, but these “lines of vision” appear to finish on Earths day lit side,
The 12 to 18 seconds of footage in the above video, is what i am claiming is not possible through a telescope from Earths night side, I will leave it there unless something interesting is posted, thanks
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rtA0vemoVfg
Hi Kneepad, in astronomy, they refer to how clear and steady the night sky is, as seeing, ie good seeing, poor seeing etc. The telecope that I used to use in my first entry into astronomy was no where near the quality of the one that the man in the video is using, but in good seeing, Venus can be clearly seen as having phases. The video also shows that he’s using stacked images. Stacking used a computer program to stack many weak images on top of each other to produce a still image.
Yes
Google
“venus in the night sky”
and you will see plenty photos of Venus at night
But…..
Venus, wherever it is, is always somewhere INSIDE of our orbit, it’s NEVER outside it
The night sky here is always a view of the sky from OUTSIDE our orbit
It can never be a view inside our orbit because it would then be in sunlight, or dusk/dawn, so NOT night time
I’m still scratching my head.
There has to be a logical fallacy in there somewhere
Once the Sun it blocked at either dusk or dawn, you can see inside one of the edges of our orbit. on top of that, this drawing of our relationship with sun earth venus is to scale, and shows the angle when venus is hidden either in front of or behind the Sun. Just before dawn, and just after dusk, we can see just outside these lines. Earth is not to scale but if full size will only decrease the angle.
I in fact made a huge mistake there. I scaled it in 1mm = 1 million miles. thence we are 93mm from the sun and venus is 67mm from the sun, but the diameter of the sun is supposedly 864,000miles and therefore should have been .864 of a mm not the 8.64 I drew it. So the angle is even smaller. My apologies.