East Midlands Airport says air traffic over their heads is none of their business

Airport official admits they have little or no idea as to which aircraft are flying overhead.   They only monitor flights ‘associated’ with their own airport.  At the very least this is a PR disaster.  Let’s hope it’s not another actual disaster in the making.

East Midlands Airport Responds to Aircraft Trails Enquiry PDF Print E-mail
Following repeated e-mails to East Midlands Airport (an example below), I got the response below that. I then sent them the letter at the bottom along with a printed copy of the Chemtrail report, a DVD and a leaflet about 9/11

(1st Sent 25th Sep 2007, Resent 6th October, 2007)
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am doing some research into the effect of Air Traffic on the environment and am interested specifically in information about some aircraft trails I photographed on 2 dates. I submitted an FOI request to both the CAA and the DfT but they could not answer my questions and suggested I contact you.
I am wondering if you can supply the flight numbers or any details about flights which may have caused this number of aircraft trails on the dates below.  Regarding air traffic on 10th June 2005 and on Sunday 4th Feb 2007 can you therefore please give me information to help me answer these questions:

1) Can you please provide a list of flights which travelled over the Derby area between 9pm and 10pm on 10th June 2005?

2) Can you please verify that some of these flight paths crossed at 90 approximately degrees in the same area?

3) Can you please provide a list of flights travelling over Markeaton Park Derby on Sunday 4th Feb between 14:15 and 16:45 and verify that there were at least 42 planes during that period? (I have posted a video of them here: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1478844931104323131

For your convenience I have provided the unretouched pictures of the Grid from June 2005 and links to Google Maps of the location of my house…http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=&z=15&om=0 (Lat/Long 52.902891 / -1.378364) 

(the grid was seen on bearing of about 280 degrees (i.e. approx West-North-West of my house)

and Markeaton Park, Derby:http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=&om=0&ll=52.93519,-1.501265&spn=0.012467,0.056477&z=14

(Lat/Long 52.935129 / -1.505260)

I can provide the unretouched video clips of the aircraft from 4th Feb 2007 if this will be of any help.

Thank you for any help you can provide in supplying or pointing me in the direction of this data.

Yours Sincerely,

Andrew Johnson
22 Mear Drive
Borrowash
Derbyshire
DE72 3QW


Dear Mr Johnson
Please forgive our delay in replying to your recent e-mails. We understand that you have previously approached the Civil Aviation Authority and the Department for Transport to find details of aircraft operations over Derby but that these organisations have been unable to assist you.

For many years East Midlands Airport has maintained radar recordings of aircraft operations in the area and last year we became the first airport in Europe to make these recordings available to the general public on our web site. The WebTrak display system can be accessed from the front page of our web site and on it you will find details of aircraft operating within 30 miles of the Airport up to a threshold
altitude of 15,000 feet.

In your e-mails you refer to ‘persistent aircraft trails’. These vapour trails are largely the result of aircraft operations at altitudes greater than 15,000 feet and therefore, are unlikely to be associated with East Midlands Airport and would not be included in our radar recordings. The Airport’s records may provide a partial answer to the questions that you pose but we are not be able to provide the information that you request.

Many flights pass over the middle of the country including Derby. Whilst they
include aircraft to and from East Midlands, at higher altitudes there are many aircraft associated with operations at other UK airports and many international flights.
Yours sincerely
Neil Robinson
General Manager (Environment & Safeguarding)

TAPIt’s a bit like the EU only regulating certain breeds of fish, while trawler nets catch all species of fish.  The sky is not divisible if you wish to operate a safe system of control.  East Midlands Airport is running a sky monitoring system which is palpably unsafe.  An aircraft overhead the airport might not be ‘associated’ with the airport (whatever that means), but could presumably still crash on the airport, or crash with other aircraft which are ‘associated’ with the airport.


14/11/2007
Dear Mr Robinson,
Thank you very much for your reply, dated 29th October, to my e-mails regarding the question about persitent aircraft trails on days past.
You are correct in stating that no other organisations have been able to help me regarding the issue of persitent aircraft trails on the 2 dates. It’s quite nice to know about EMA’s Webtrak system, but as you will realise, it is of no use in the enquiry I made. I must admit to being rather surprised in these days of supposed ongoing threats of international terrorism (which mainly turn out to be illusions, once the TV is switched off and the evidence is studied more carefully) that no one can tell me what flights came over Derby on given dates. With stringent air regulations, I am surprised it has so far been impossible to answer what should be, in the “Computer Database Age”, a relatively straightforward question. For example, even with my own computer, I can answer questions about 10 years of e-mails – which I have carefully kept on CDs and DVDs – and that’s just me (for my work, I recently had to retrieve some e-mails and files which were over 7 years old, but I managed it). Well, I suppose me being involved in Software Design and Development for a period of over 20 years, you might expect that, but still…
In any case, what I wrote about and asked about most definitely aren’t ordinary contrails and I have a enclosed document and DVD which will demonstrate to you how many people agree with this conclusion (and 20 of them are signatories to the report). Now, I fully appreciate the difficulty of personnel working in the Air Industry (or in any climate or environment-related job) of accepting the truth about this, but that, unfortunately does not stop the fact – that someone is illegally and covertly spraying us with something  – being true.
I therefore urge you to properly review the evidence presented here – and the very large volume of additional evidence which is readily available on the Web – video, photo, study and witness testimony at your earliest convenience.
Now, of course, the established pattern is that those in authority simply ignore the evidence and seem to say “move along – nothing to see here, folks!” It is a frequently repeated pattern – both in Governmental and Non-Governmental Organisations (Greenpeace never even responded to my report). Perhaps it is therefore not at all surprising when people write to me with responses like the ones shown overleaf. But if you have an sensible explanation for the grids, triangles and parallel trails which only appear on some days, I would love to hear it. Atmospheric Physicist Ulrich Schumann never responded to my e-mail about these items, you see.
So, I hereby present you with this evidence (and an article I wrote about another matter – which was recently published in an Open University Faculty Magazine) and I urge you to equip yourself by studying it. I have come to conclusion that it is important for everyone to make themselves aware of what is going on, if they want to understand the present – and the possible futures we can have ahead of us. Of course, this depends on whether they have the time and inclination to do so, and are prepared for a rather “bumpy ride”, shall we say.
Yours Most Sincerely,
Andrew Johnson
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3 Responses to “East Midlands Airport says air traffic over their heads is none of their business”

  1. Anonymous says:

    http://www.flightradar24.com/

    can be helpful for tracking and identifying flights in real time.

  2. Anonymous says:

    The airport is correct, they have a region of airspace called a TMA (terminal manoeuvring area) which is mushroom-shaped and extends to 15000ft. Anything above it is not going to land or interact with airport traffic and not controlled by. or the concern of, EMA.
    Having said that, an ATC controller at Belfast was questioned about the trails and said he had noticed them, but the aircraft were not under ATC control being too high for local ATC.

  3. Air Traffic Control Assistant says:

    Those aircraft will have either been under the responsibility of the air traffic control centre in Swanwick (near Southampton) or Prestwick (Ayrshire, Scotland). Both air traffic control centres are operated by a company called NATS – National Air Traffic Services Ltd.

    NATS are responsible for controlling the aircraft that are flying en-route (like the aircraft you mentioned above) (aircraft have to be at high altitudes for contrails to form)

    The reason why it could be Swanwick or Prestwick is because Derby is situated near to the point where the controllers transfer planes between the two air traffic control centres.

    They will have records of the flights that you have indicated.

    I can assure you that there was no risk to safety of the aircraft that you saw flying in the sky. You have to understand that from an air traffic control point-of-view the sky is not only split horizontally but also vertically. You can have one set of controllers that control up to a certain altitude, and then another set of controllers that control aircraft above that. Air traffic controllers only receive information about aircraft that they will be handling.

    This is why East Midlands airport has no information on the aircraft you have indicated. Because the air traffic controllers at the airport did not control those planes.

    If you have any other questions, I’d be happy to answer them

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