George W Bush at Yale’s Skull And Bones. Charming Bunch Of Shysters working to destroy the American State, and world democracy
Tap wrote – “Any meaningful reform of the world would have to include the outlawing of all secret societies. The penalties would have to be so severe, no one would try setting up any.”
Me replied –
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
(Who will guard the guards?)
I wouldn’t ban association. The single best defence should be freedom of speech. However, free speech alone doesn’t stop the abuse of power, so you need a society where there are penalties for failing to abide by the principle of full disclosure. Where there is full disclosure there can be no secret society. So if you have a wonky judge you can take her/him to court for failing to disclose their membership of a secret society.
TAP – But if you know he’s a member of a secret society, is it actually secret?!! There would have to be a disclosure location where all disclosures must be made, as with MPs. But the defence would always be that any non-disclosure was a clerical or administrative error. In fact drawing the line between information that should be disclosed, and information that need not be, will be infernally hard, in many cases.
Freedom of speech is also very hard to defend. The fact that information is not disclosed has as much to do with fear, as any rules. How do you legislate against fear? Secrecy is created to cause fear. Fear rules men more certainly than rules ever will. What is needed is a cultural change where power is not based on fear, but on cooperation, and openness. What changes culture? Awareness and determination, and success. Cooperation will create a much richer and better society in every sense than one built on fear, as the current world is. Fear is failure writ large. It isolates and corrupts. People could just as easily learn to live through cooperation. In fact the majority would far prefer it. We have to isolate and expose the purveyors of secrecy and fear.
The current system runs on deception. People are told to believe they are taking part in a cooperative exercise, while the powerful act selfishly from behind the scenes. The system only works as long as the deception lasts. Once people realise the whole is one giant scam, they no longer cooperate, either with their thoughts or their deeds. My parents and grandparents believed totally in the fundamental goodness of authority. I am part of the first generation that no longer believes that the system, based on false royalty, religious deception, political deception is any good. My behaviour differs little on the surface as a result of knowing what we now know. That’s because we are still a minority.
But as more and more people realise the whole is a giant deception, with wars, economic upheavals and cultural shifts all being events manufactured by secret elites, the willingness to listen to people like David Cameron, Tony Blair will be gone. They will be talking to themselves. Soldiers, once they know, will surely refuse to fight wars that are meaningless deceptions.
But it’s taking too long for people to realise what they are seeing. Even though Gregory Pitchford who went through Iraq and can now see how the supposed freedoms of US democracy are no longer applied to him, he still believes the propaganda being generated against Iran. More people need to wise up. Or we will soon all either be slaves or skull and bones.
//But if you know he’s a member of a secret society, is it actually secret?!! There would have to be a disclosure location where all disclosures must be made, as with MPs. But the defence would always be that any non-disclosure was a clerical or administrative error. In fact drawing the line between information that should be disclosed, and information that need not be, will be infernally hard, in many cases.//
There was an episode of Yes Minister called “The Right To Know” where Jim Hacker, the Minister, demanded access to all important paperwork in the department. In the interests of transparency Sir Humphrey gave his Minister the logs of absolutely everything, including stationery acquisitions. The Minister couldn’t wade through it all so had to accept Sir Humphrey’s mediation as to what was important to know.
Technology changes this – at least for the Sir Humphreys. It allows everything to be disclosed and with technology – the Internet – everyone can access it. Individuals are free to process that data to find the patterns they are interested in and come to conclusions. With the right to free speech they can publish their results.
With the internet we already have, effectively, full disclosure although it is not official. We know what the elites are doing. We know their secret projects. The problem we have may even be we lack free speech more than we lack disclosure. The secret societies control the mass media which controls the information the majority of people receive. People have thereby been educated to go along with a rigged system. Politicians and journalists are doing the same job – distributing false information.
We need full disclosure, free speech and the means of information distribution taken out of the hands of the self-interested elite.
//Freedom of speech is also very hard to defend. The fact that information is not disclosed has as much to do with fear, as any rules. How do you legislate against fear? Secrecy is created to cause fear. //
I think secrecy is caused by the elites fearing us. They know the system is rigged, they plan to reduce world population by 90%, and don’t want us to find out in such a way they are endangered.
Rick Santorum member of secret society Knights Of Malta –