How Do You Ban Secret Societies?

George W Bush at Yale’s Skull And Bones. Charming Bunch Of Shysters working to destroy the American State, and world democracy

Tap wrote – “Any meaningful reform of the world would have to include the outlawing of all secret societies. The penalties would have to be so severe, no one would try setting up any.”

Me replied

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
(Who will guard the guards?)

I wouldn’t ban association. The single best defence should be freedom of speech. However, free speech alone doesn’t stop the abuse of power, so you need a society where there are penalties for failing to abide by the principle of full disclosure. Where there is full disclosure there can be no secret society. So if you have a wonky judge you can take her/him to court for failing to disclose their membership of a secret society.

TAP – But if you know he’s a member of a secret society, is it actually secret?!! There would have to be a disclosure location where all disclosures must be made, as with MPs. But the defence would always be that any non-disclosure was a clerical or administrative error. In fact drawing the line between information that should be disclosed, and information that need not be, will be infernally hard, in many cases.

Freedom of speech is also very hard to defend. The fact that information is not disclosed has as much to do with fear, as any rules. How do you legislate against fear? Secrecy is created to cause fear. Fear rules men more certainly than rules ever will. What is needed is a cultural change where power is not based on fear, but on cooperation, and openness. What changes culture? Awareness and determination, and success. Cooperation will create a much richer and better society in every sense than one built on fear, as the current world is. Fear is failure writ large. It isolates and corrupts. People could just as easily learn to live through cooperation. In fact the majority would far prefer it. We have to isolate and expose the purveyors of secrecy and fear.

The current system runs on deception. People are told to believe they are taking part in a cooperative exercise, while the powerful act selfishly from behind the scenes. The system only works as long as the deception lasts. Once people realise the whole is one giant scam, they no longer cooperate, either with their thoughts or their deeds. My parents and grandparents believed totally in the fundamental goodness of authority. I am part of the first generation that no longer believes that the system, based on false royalty, religious deception, political deception is any good. My behaviour differs little on the surface as a result of knowing what we now know. That’s because we are still a minority.

But as more and more people realise the whole is a giant deception, with wars, economic upheavals and cultural shifts all being events manufactured by secret elites, the willingness to listen to people like David Cameron, Tony Blair will be gone. They will be talking to themselves. Soldiers, once they know, will surely refuse to fight wars that are meaningless deceptions.

But it’s taking too long for people to realise what they are seeing. Even though Gregory Pitchford who went through Iraq and can now see how the supposed freedoms of US democracy are no longer applied to him, he still believes the propaganda being generated against Iran. More people need to wise up. Or we will soon all either be slaves or skull and bones.

Anonymous

//But if you know he’s a member of a secret society, is it actually secret?!! There would have to be a disclosure location where all disclosures must be made, as with MPs. But the defence would always be that any non-disclosure was a clerical or administrative error. In fact drawing the line between information that should be disclosed, and information that need not be, will be infernally hard, in many cases.//

There was an episode of Yes Minister called “The Right To Know” where Jim Hacker, the Minister, demanded access to all important paperwork in the department. In the interests of transparency Sir Humphrey gave his Minister the logs of absolutely everything, including stationery acquisitions. The Minister couldn’t wade through it all so had to accept Sir Humphrey’s mediation as to what was important to know.

Technology changes this – at least for the Sir Humphreys. It allows everything to be disclosed and with technology – the Internet – everyone can access it. Individuals are free to process that data to find the patterns they are interested in and come to conclusions. With the right to free speech they can publish their results.

With the internet we already have, effectively, full disclosure although it is not official. We know what the elites are doing. We know their secret projects. The problem we have may even be we lack free speech more than we lack disclosure. The secret societies control the mass media which controls the information the majority of people receive. People have thereby been educated to go along with a rigged system. Politicians and journalists are doing the same job – distributing false information.

We need full disclosure, free speech and the means of information distribution taken out of the hands of the self-interested elite.

//Freedom of speech is also very hard to defend. The fact that information is not disclosed has as much to do with fear, as any rules. How do you legislate against fear? Secrecy is created to cause fear. //

I think secrecy is caused by the elites fearing us. They know the system is rigged, they plan to reduce world population by 90%, and don’t want us to find out in such a way they are endangered.

Rick Santorum member of secret society Knights Of Malta

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8 Responses to “How Do You Ban Secret Societies?”

  1. Anonymous says:

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  2. Anonymous says:

    //But if you know he’s a member of a secret society, is it actually secret?!! There would have to be a disclosure location where all disclosures must be made, as with MPs. But the defence would always be that any non-disclosure was a clerical or administrative error. In fact drawing the line between information that should be disclosed, and information that need not be, will be infernally hard, in many cases.//

    There was an episode of Yes Minister called “The Right To Know” where Jim Hacker, the Minister, demanded access to all important paperwork in the department. In the interests of transparency Sir Humphrey gave his Minister the logs of absolutely everything, including stationery acquisitions. The Minister couldn’t wade through it all so had to accept Sir Humphrey’s mediation as to what was important to know.

    Technology changes this – at least for the Sir Humphreys. It allows everything to be disclosed and with technology – the Internet – everyone can access it. Individuals are free to process that data to find the patterns they are interested in and come to conclusions. With the right to free speech they can publish their results.

    With the internet we already have, effectively, full disclosure although it is not official. We know what the elites are doing. We know their secret projects. The problem we have may even be we lack free speech more than we lack disclosure. The secret societies control the mass media which controls the information the majority of people receive. People have thereby been educated to go along with a rigged system. Politicians and journalists are doing the same job – distributing false information.

    We need full disclosure, free speech and the means of information distribution taken out of the hands of the self-interested elite.

    //Freedom of speech is also very hard to defend. The fact that information is not disclosed has as much to do with fear, as any rules. How do you legislate against fear? Secrecy is created to cause fear. //

    I think secrecy is caused by the elites fearing us. They know the system is rigged, they plan to reduce world population by 90%, and don’t want us to find out in such a way they are endagngered.

    //Fear rules men more certainly than rules ever will.//

    Don’t agree. Love is stronger, which is why humans live in cooperative societies – even to the extent they cooperate with people who do not have their interests at heart. This is true for all social animals.

  3. Anonymous says:

    //The current system runs on deception. People are told to believe they are taking part in a cooperative exercise, while the powerful act selfishly from behind the scenes. The system only works as long as the deception lasts. Once people realise the whole is one giant scam, they no longer cooperate, either with their thoughts or their deeds.//

    They can do this because they control the information and continue to maintain a Potemkin village of “democratic” institutions which are enough to convince the indoctrinated that everything is normal. With these they claim moral legitimacy for their actions.

    – Me.

  4. TIAMW says:

    The Masons, particularly the lower ranking 7,000,000 or so, are as much a victim as a member of Opus Dei, – the “illuminati” are the same elite families of the world, work your way downward from Liz the II and all monarch families from there on, whom rely on their Knights, Barons and Lords, whom say are around 150,000 elite 33rd Degree level, whom controll around 5,000 Grand Masters, whom in turn keep the Master Masons in line, whom in turn sort out all the other millions of Masonic footsoldiers. Now like I say, I’m an agnostic borderline atheist, – however I have no objections as to what anyone else wishes to believe in, – if men want to run around with one trouser leg rolled up and a noose around their neck whilst blind folded, then so be it, – many a Mason are good men, though they are just the same as everyone else, as there’s nothing special about being able to keep secrets and turn an blind all seeing eye whenever corruption arises. I have applealled to the fraternity to modernise itself, tear down the curtians within the lodges, – be open about who you are – and part of this modernisation, means we have to move away from circa 1776 not be kept trapped in it. A ban might be a bit too ambitious, though the demand that members of the government and their related bodies should have to declare their involvement with the Freemason’s is not new, and in some cases and professions; ‘voluntary declaration’ is asked, – though who’s policing it, and why volunteer if it’s not a legal requirement? The crux of the matter is, – and for real transparency to begin to happen, then we the public have the right to know, who is, and who isn’t a member of a secret society whilst working for our governments, and more important, their resignations from either their appointed positions, or their membership from the ‘secret society’, such as the Freemasons. A law is required, so that a complete list and register of names are available for public scrutiny. http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/portuguese-government-looks-for-masons-among-politicians

    I/we propose that any member of a secret society, should be banned from also being permitted to be a member of government or its related bodies, i.e. our town halls, the judiciary, military and the police etc. – as it’s without doubt a major conflict of interest. – This currently abhorrent state of affairs where anyone involved in our governments etc. are allowed to be also members of a secret society that require death defying oaths to be sworn, – whereas the blindfolded initiate, and with a dagger held to their heart, swears to be 100% allegiant and committed to the Masonic agenda, – and over and above that of all else. The potential for corruption and dodgy deals makes a complete mockery of our democracy and justice system. Our government and its representatives; via our town halls and justices of law must be free from commitment to these highly influential groups if they are expected to maintain a shred of credibility and earn the public’s trust and respect once again. http://www.causes.com/causes/643665-ban-members-of-secret-societies-from-serving-in-our-government-and-their-related-bodies/about

  5. TIAMW says:

    Our ‘cause’, is purely a political agenda, on our own and the people’s behalf, – we should have no interest, if people choose to run around half naked with their trouser leg rolled up, or what someone’s beliefs are – should also be irrelevant as far as this cause is concerned. I mention this, due to the fact, that because we are proposing; – that members of “secret societies”, should have to resign, if they wanted to enter the realms of government, or its related bodies. Then of course, this kind of cause will attract much criticism, – these secret societies have millions of members, – their foot-soldiers will try and hit back, attacking each and every post we make regarding this matter, as after all its many of them, we are saying should have to resign. They will accuse us of being racist, and remind us what Hitler did to many Freemason’s during WWII. Though isn’t it ironic, as not only did the West help many top Nazi’s escape, via the Ratlines, – many of their descendents, are now members of Congress, – and among the richest families in the USA. The truth is, Hitler loved Freemasonry, and of course he never acted alone, as he was placed into power, by the same Illuminati cabals, whom placed Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt and Mussolini into their positions of power, – they just happened to be the new kids on the block in the political stage at that time in life, as that’s what it is, a ‘stage’, and all we see upon it, is pure theatre. – The true reason Hitler did what he did with the Freemasons, was, one; he crushed all opposition, and two; he realised how wealthy they were, – they just happened to be mainly Jewish, though I can assure you, he would have done exactly the same thing, if they were green eyed monsters, Hitler didn’t care, he just badly needed the cash to fund his own lust for power, and that suited his mentors down to the ground. Besides, today’s Freemason’s, come from all creeds and races, religion isn’t a issue, so we don’t fall fail of the; “It’s a Jewish thing” line, we don’t buy that. – if anything, it’s more like a Albert Pike, Illuminati thing, and just part of their three world war plan. So no, we are not racist, as we are fed up with all denominations of secret societies.

  6. TIAMW says:

    All we really care about is bringing into fruition, a true and honest transparency of our governments, – nothing more – though this presently cannot be obtained – and this is the reason we have to get this problem and cause, out to the masses and onto the world stage. We have to make it so well known, that we know so much about them, and that we are not going to give up and go away – until we have total transparency in our town halls, our buildings of administration, our courts, judicial system, the military, police, and particularly, our governments. Don’t be put off, keep at, and try and spread the link to the main cause, and this one, as far and wide as possible. We are far from computer geeks, and perhaps we could do with some on board, – as we need to get as many posts, blogs and articles going, that relate as to why this cause needs to be addressed beyond all causes, as otherwise all others are a farce. As how can we be expected to continue to live in a world, that has members of secret societies, investigating and policing other members of the same secret societies? The conflict of interest, is so great, it’s baffling as to why we have not yet had a revolution. Then again, it just goes to show you, what masters of deceit, they really are, – as let’s not forget here, – you’re average person on the street, knows nothing about secret societies, or the Freemason’s, and what they do know of them, it’s all good news; great pillars of society, full of famous members, headed by royalty, and raise millions for charities and children’s burns units etc. – How could you not like these guys, why you must be a monster, if you want to go around attacking such good guys, – and that therefore our cause and argument is weak. And this is true of 95% of the fraternity, though that 5%, still leaves hundreds of thousands, out of the millions of its members, – raising havoc all around the globe, – besides, without the 95%, the 5% wouldn’t even exist.

  7. TIAMW says:

    Free copy of Trapped in a Masonic World in PDF format – ‘Warning Over 18yrs Only’ – do share; http://m.friendfeed-media.com/d00495e5f7afc74daa5a6a521aada39c9c52315e

    This book contains numerous expletives, derogatory terms and insults, aimed at many groups, organisations and people in which you could quite likely find yourself being among one or more of those categories. Don‘t try and judge the book by its cover, or should I say title, – as some already have and therefore have assumed there is some kind of… undercurrent racist agenda here within its contents, when in fact you‘ll see it‘s quite the opposite. Though if you are overtly devout in your religious beliefs, whether you‘re Christian, Muslim, Jewish or from any other faith, it might not be your cup of tea, as I’m an agnostic, borderline atheist. – If you’re a member of a secret society, a corrupt world leader, MP, policeman, civil servant, – a paedophile or child abuser in general, – then I‘m afraid it‘s highly likely you will find this book extremely abhorrent, very insulting and bad for your blood pressure. So with this in mind I therefore recommend you DO NOT read on any further than this page.

    JOIN US – Surely it’s not too much to ask; to wish to live in a world where our governments are sincerely transparent and fit for the 21st Century, – and not remain in circa 1776. http://www.causes.com/causes/643665-ban-members-of-secret-societies

  8. TIAMW says:

    Short of the matter is, you cannot in a sense ban any society whether secret or not, – however we can members of secret societies from also being members of our governments and their related bodies. To introduce a total ban, – would probably result to many [many are] going underground. But it’s easy quite easy to do, we have laws with life sentences, for memebers of banned politcal parties and hate groups etc. – As been suggested above, – the introduction of stiff prisons sentences for being a member, would result to high numbers leaving the fraternity. Sorry, but there really is no argument, for a modern world to still be tied to circa 1776. The world is crying out for transparency, and with members of secret societies in our governments and all their related bodies, this will never be possible, and why something radical has to be done.

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