Medical Research Fraudulent

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Most Western Scientific Medical Research is Fraudulent

By Waking Times August 7, 2015, Makia Freeman

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/08/07/most-western-scientific-medical-research-is-fraudulent/

Insiders & experts say that most medical reasearch is a fraud.

Fraudulent scientific research is rife throughout the world due to the power of monetary influence wielded by Big Pharma, the giant cartel of multinational pharmaceutical corporations started over 100 years ago by the Rockefellers. This fraudulent scientific research is now so widespread and pervasive it is become an open secret. There is a long list of medical journal editors, doctors and professors on the “outside”, former Big Pharma employees and executives on the “inside”, as well as government officials somewhere in between, who have stepped forward as whistleblowers and acknowledged the fraud. Money buys favorable research. Period. This is not really surprising, given the history of Rockefeller Western medicine and the fact that Big Pharma’s business model is based on “managing” disease, “treating” symptoms and keeping patients on the hamster wheel, rather than actually healing them completely.
Everyone Knows How the “Game” Works

 

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Whistleblower Dr. Peter Rost, former vice president of Pfizer, a giant Big Pharma company, spelled it out. In the video clip embedded above, taken from the documentary One More Girl, he reveals that everyone knows how the “game” works:

“Universities, health organizations, everybody that I have encountered … are out there …. begging for money. (Big Pharma corporations) use that money to basically buy influence … (Big Pharma provides) grants for various kinds of research … make sure they (scientific researchers) became beholden … Everyone obviously knows this is how things work.”

“They (scientific researchers) are not going to continue to get money unless they’re saying what you (i.e. Big Pharma) want them to say. They know it, you know it, and it’s only maybe the public that doesn’t know it.”

In this way, the almost the entire medical scientific community has been compromised and has become thoroughly untrustworthy.

Fraudulent Scientific Research Exposed by Medical Journal Editors and Professors

Look at what numerous key experts are saying about this epidemic of fraudulent scientific research. Dr. Richard Horton is the current editor-in-chief of the British Lancet journal, which is respected as one of the best peer-reviewed medical journals in the world. He came out and stated:

“The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.”

Then look at what Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the esteemed New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), had to say about the pervasive fraudulent scientific research:

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines … I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

Dr. John P.A. Ioannidis, a professor of disease prevention at Stanford University, published a study in a PLoS One paper entitled Why Most Published Research Findings Are False. He found that research conclusions are less likely to be true when study samples sizes are too small, when effect sizes are even smaller, and when there are major variances in study designs, definitions, outcomes and analytical modes. He highlighted the corrupting influence of Big Pharma and concluded that:

“There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false … it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true.”

Fraudulent Scientific Research Exposed by Other Big Pharma Whistleblowers

Fraudulent scientific research has also been exposed by former executives and employees of the Big Pharma machine. In addition to Dr. Peter Rost, another Big Pharma whistleblower include Dr. John Virapen, author of Side Effects: Death. Confessions of a Pharma-Insider, who admits in this book that he “bribed a Swedish professor to enhance the registration of Prozac in Sweden.” Virapen worked for 35 years in the pharmaceutical industry internationally (most notably as general manager of Eli Lilly and Company in Sweden) where he was responsible for the marketing of several Big Pharma drugs (all of them with side effects). He exposes how Big Pharma invests more than USD$50,000 per physician per year to entice them to prescribe their products, how more than 75% of leading scientists in the field of medicine are “paid for”, and how illnesses are invented by the pharmaceutical industry to increase profit.

Another Big Pharma whistleblower is Gwen Olsen, a former Big Pharma sales rep who really knew how to push for a hard sell. She reveals the underhanded tactics she was taught by Big Pharma executives to ensure doctors were prescribing their drugs. After her niece killed herself while taking antidepressants, she changed her tune and exposed the tactics. Olsen admits that she used bribery and personal connections to sell Big Pharma meds, because she found it very difficult to sell drugs on their own merit, that the true purpose of pharmaceutical drugs is social control, that Big Pharma buys up real cures to disease, or sues companies not to release genuine cures. She also reveals how drug effects or side effects were often separated to avoid full disclosure, e.g. if the effect was on the CNS (Central Nervous System) then Big Pharma would break it down to say dizziness, fatigue, etc. so effects would look smaller.

Sadly, patients were harmed or killed due to Olsen’s (and other drugs reps like her) intentional sidestepping/misinforming physicians about a drug’s effects. Olsen refers to the “Revolving Door Syndrome”, meaning patients who are hospitalized continue to come back repeatedly, and each time lose more of their bodily functions. The drugs were brain damaging, could induce violence and were slowly killing them. Meanwhile, many drugs are found to be not more efficacious than a sugar pill (placebo).
Fraudulent Scientific Research Exposed by Governmental Whistleblower Too

Lastly, it is also useful to note that fraudulent scientific research has been acknowledged by governmental officials too. Dr. William Thompson of the CDC (the US Center for Disease Control) made headlines last year when he bravely came forth to publicly admit that he had cooked the books and fudged the data regarding vaccines. Here is an excerpt of his public statement from August 27th, 2014:

“My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”

Many people were harmed (or killed) by this instance of fraudulent scientific research, especially young black baby boys under the age of 3. Consequences for Thompson or the CDC for this fraudulent scientific research? Basically none. Obama gave him legal immunity – but that’s not surprising since he also singed the NDAA (claiming the right to imprison any American indefinitely without charge or trial) and initiated his weekly Kill Lists.
Don’t Fall for Appeals to “Scientific” or “Clinical” Research when Fraudulent Scientific Research is So Rife

The lesson in all this is clear: don’t believe it when you are told by anyone involved with the Western Medical Establishment that their products are based on sound, valid, scientific, clinical evidence. Fraudulent scientific research is so widespread you can’t know anything for sure. Maybe you have to use Western Medicine, or maybe you don’t, but don’t go in blindly believing everything you’re told.

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13 Responses to “Medical Research Fraudulent”

  1. dogman says:

    Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.

    It is an open secret within the drugs industry that most of its products are ineffective in most patients but this is the first time that such a senior drugs boss has gone public. His comments come days after it emerged that the NHS drugs bill has soared by nearly 50 per cent in three years, rising by £2.3bn a year to an annual cost to the taxpayer of £7.2bn. GSK announced last week that it had 20 or more new drugs under development that could each earn the company up to $1bn (£600m) a year.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3duugaANn

    Psychiatric drugs kill an estimated 500,000 people per year, looking only at people over age 65 living in Western countries, according to an analysis conducted by a world-renowned Danish researcher.
    Peter Gotzsche, research director at the Nordic Cochrane Centre, cited the figure in an article published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), in which he argues that psychiatric drugs have only “minimal” benefits but very severe side effects. Most use of these drugs could be halted without doing any harm, he says.

    The article is part of a discussion published in the journal as a lead-up to a debate that took place at King’s College London on May 13. The debate and discussion both focused on whether psychiatric drugs do more harm than good. In the BMJ discussion, the article supporting the importance of psychiatric drugs was co-authored by John Crace – a psychiatric patient who writes for the Guardian – and Allan Young, a researcher who admits to major financial involvement with the drug industry.

    Minimal benefit
    Gotzsche is a highly reliable critic of the drug industry. A physician since 1984, he specialized in internal medicine and spent much of his early career as a representative for drug companies. He later established a medical department at a drug company, which was responsible for clinical trials and new drug registration.

    In 1993, Gotzsche co-founded the Cochrane Collaboration, the globally respected organization that devotes itself to reviewing medical research data in support of evidence-based medicine. Gotzsche’s credentials as a researcher are also robust; he has been published more than 70 times in the “big five” medical journals (BMJ, Lancet, JAMA, Annals of Internal Medicine and New England Journal of Medicine), and his research has been cited more than 15,000 times. In 2014, his book Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Health Care won an award from the British Medical Association.

    According to Gotzsche, the benefits of psychiatric drugs have been wildly exaggerated. In the BMJ article, he notes that most psychiatric drug trials produce unreliable evidence because they are conducted mostly on people who, until recently, were taking other drugs. Thus, participants suffer drug withdrawal in the early phase of the trial, only to later show “improvement,” ostensibly from the new drug.

    Gotzsche analyzes data showing that psychiatric drugs of three types (antidepressants, antipsychotics and benzodiazepines) kill 3,693 people over the age of 65 each year in Denmark, which scales up to an estimate of half a million in the United States and European Union combined. In addition, he says that drug-induced suicides have been vastly underreported in clinical studies.

    “Their benefits would need to be colossal to justify this, but they are minimal,” he writes.

    Writing of ADHD drugs specifically, he says they provide only “short-term relief,” but at the cost of “long-term harm.”

    “Animal studies strongly suggest that these drugs can produce brain damage, which is probably the case for all psychotropic drugs,” he writes.

    http://www.bmj.com/
    Source was Natural News

  2. dogman says:

    The BBC reported as far back as 2012 that GSK, as part of one of the largest healthcare fraud settlements in US history, would pay 3 billion dollars for “promoting two drugs for unapproved uses and failing to report safety data about a diabetes drug to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)” and for “paying kickbacks to doctors.”

    The Wall Street Journal’s May 14, 2014 report, “Glaxo’s Ex-China Chief Accused of Ordering Staff to Commit Bribery,” would claim, “Gao Feng, a ministry official spearheading the probe of the U.K. pharmaceutical company, said revenue that came from alleged bribery amounted to several billion yuan since Mr. Reilly joined Glaxo’s China operation in 2009. Glaxo pushed up the prices of drugs in China—in some instances as much as seven times the price compared with other countries—to fund its own bribery, Mr. Gao alleged.”

  3. dogman says:

    Merck is an international pharmaceutical giant that retains high profits despite recently paying out almost 5 billion dollars for to settle Viox civil lawsuits. Another several million in government agency fines were levied against Merck for other federal violations regarding Vioxx. Despite the known mounting death toll for Vioxx for five years, Merck continued promoting and selling Vioxx for high profits.

    Merck has managed to influence the CDC to include the Hep-B vaccine (HBV) on newborns. Hepatitis-B is transmitted sexually or by shared hypodermic needles only. Apparently, the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) are now assuming all pregnant women are hypodermic injecting drug-users or promiscuously practicing unsafe sex.

    Babies get three toxic Hep-B jabs as infants without even testing the mother for Hepatitis-B. Many so called SIDs (sudden infant deaths) have been linked to the Hep-B vaccinations. And there are too many parents in jail accused of SBS (shaken baby syndrome) merely because of official denial that Hep-B vaccines have killed many babies.

    source is The Best Years in Life

  4. dogman says:

    German pharmaceuticals maker Boehringer Ingelheim said on Wednesday that it has agreed to pay $650 million to settle around 4,000 lawsuits relating to its blood-thinning drug Pradaxa.

    Source and full story: The Local (Germany), 29 May 2014

    The recent U.S court decision concerning Japanese pharmaceutical giant Takeda’s diabetes drug, Actos, raises concerns as to both the safety of pharmaceuticals and the integrity and intentionality of drug companies.

    The 9 billion dollar punitive damages assessed against the pharmaceutical companies Takeda and Eli Lilly take into account evidence indicating that there was a concerted effort at Takeda to destroy documentation that their blockbuster diabetes drug caused bladder cancer.

    Files and also emails were reportedly deleted at Takeda even after a court put a litigation hold on the company, blocking it from destroying files.

    In 2001, Bayer pulled Baycol off the market, after over 50 deaths were reported from the cholesterol- lowering drug. According to the Dr. Rath foundation, the dangers inherent in Baycol would have been known for over a decade.

    In 2003, Bayer was reported as knowingly selling a blood clotting agent tainted with HIV in Asia and Latin America, while selling a safer version of the same drug in the U.S.

    Bayer has also sued the EU, after a ban was placed on Bayer’s pesticides, linking its neonicotinoid pesticides to millions of bee deaths. Bayer is suing to allow its pesticides back on the market. Bayer has also settled lawsuits filed concerning its promulgation of genetically modified rice which had not been FDA approved.

    Bayer has been reported as owning water systems globally, through its subsidiaries. The company has declined to respond to queries concerning this. Bayer has, however, cross- pollinated through RWE, a blue chip water utility company in Germany. Dr. Manfred Schneider, who is Chairman of the Supervisory Board of RWE AG, has had a long and illustrious career with Bayer, including serving for ten years as Bayer Management Board Chairman.

    Through its subsidiary American Water, RWE became the largest investor-owned water company in the United States. The company divested its holdings in American Water in 2008. Repeated concerns have emerged concerning the implications of the covert construction of a double line water system throughout the United States, a system which could conceivably be used as a chem/bio delivery system.

  5. dogman says:

    (NaturalNews) In case you haven’t noticed, there’s an incremental push right now by the controlling elite to force vaccinations on all Americans, both young and old. And this agenda is gaining considerable traction in California, where legislators are now moving forward with plans to force childhood vaccines on all adults who work in daycare centers, both private and public.

    Senate Bill 792, also known as the “Day care facilities: immunizations: exemptions” act, was presented quietly alongside SB 277, which eliminates personal, philosophical and religious vaccine exemptions for children who attend both private and public schools in the Golden State. The bill, as recently heard by the California Assembly Human Services Committee, reads as follows:

    This bill, commencing September 1, 2016, would prohibit a day care center or a family day care home from employing any person who has not been immunized against influenza, pertussis, and measles.

    If passed, SB 792 would represent the first adult vaccine mandate in the U.S. that disallows exemptions for personal reasons, and that threatens criminal penalties for those who fail or refuse to comply. Here’s how Vaccine Impact describes SB 792:

    SB 792, would eliminate an adult’s right to exempt themselves from one, some, or all vaccines, a risk-laden medical procedure.

    This bill would make California the first state to require mandated vaccinations for all childcare workers, including all private and public school early childhood education programs (Headstart, Private preK and preschools), family daycares, and daycare centers.

    Agenda 21 on the march in all it’s glory!

    • Hello Dogman thanks for your reply the other day. Also its very good how you save time for readers bringing interesting things from the net, to our attention, in this age of data overload this is whats helpful, everyone sharing connecting dots for each other

      Moi hasn’t replied to my comment the other day. I wonder could you please give me your thoughts on my questions to him?
      Im not saying youre a shill. Im a truthseeker with an open questioning mind, like spinningplates on sticks, I keep several narratives, trains of thought on the go, as I compare and cross check. All as I cautiously proceed and battle disinfo. Im making my own jigsaw bcoz im sure disinfos woven into so much thanks to the cabal infiltrating the alt media online.
      So I do not hold any ‘truths’ dear, im not emotionally attached to anything. If it turns out the SSP is a huge lie im happy with that.
      As well, it could be Moi had a point, but doesn’t make you a shill. As well, Moi could be wrong. And I was quite shaken by his comments, as if hes right ive swallowed a big disinfo lie.
      So ill paste it in a comment after this. And be grateful if you could give me your considered reasoning why common law isn’t bad/disinfo etc, and any Annett implications cheers Adam

    • moi says:

      oh! I hope your not trying to insinuate that im a shill dogman your first post was utter bollox. your common law crap dont cut it bud, also your jesuit nonsense boy oh boy common law is commercial in nature see where your advice fails bud your 100% wrong your coming across as a bigger shill than me, keep going bud deny that common law is commercial in nature and expose yourself chrissy boy

      Reply

      10 Aug 2015 4:02 pm

      Adam Spiritualwarrior Exposing the Secret Space Programme says:

      Does this mean ive been led up the garden path about common law?
      Ive read here and there over last 2 yrs its the way forward. Is this cabal disinfo?

      Does this mean its some kind of distraction for us? Does it mean the gold tassled flag in the courtroom, and Amdiralty law law of the sea, not law of the land, and Corporations and Strawman/Birth certificate, and commenters saying Common Law courts springing up free of legalese jargon are the solution – is this wrong? If it is ive swallowed a huge disinfo lie then!

      One other thing –
      Where does this leave us with Kevin Annett the ITCCS? I think he goes on a lot about Common Law and common law courts?
      Does this mean Moi from what you say, it indicates that Annett is some kind of sophisticated disinfo too?

      Could it be, that the whole Kamloops/Royal thing was cooked up as an elaborate hoax on urpose, to then get discredited, and then discredit all other discussion on satanic abuses?

      Your comment above surprised me, id be grateful for your clarifications and help if you can cheers

      Reply

  6. dogman says:

    Moi doesn’t seem to like me. Good for him. I have built up a fair collection of info from around the internet on as many subjects as I can think of that I consider relevant. Henry knows where it is. I’ve complied info, some of which is contradictory, as I don’t tell people what to believe I simply provide info to help people decide for themselves..
    Have a look at the people trying to do NOTHING ELSE but decry people, such as K Annett. Ground penetrating radar has proved certain allegations on the Canadian school abuse to be true, so quite what Annett stands to gain I don’t know.
    Law whether it be Admiralty Law or Common Law isn’t a quick one to answer. I have told 2 separate bailiffs that if I am using Common Law to fight the Council Tax. I’m 2 nil up at present but that’s no guarantee of it solving all our problems. The Implied Right of Access has been Removed notice works and a bailiff confirmed that it, but warned me to make sure I had the correct address on it. I’d not noticed an error and he advised me to change it or they would be entitled to enter. I called him back and shook his hand for telling me that.

    Don’t get me started on the Jesuits, there’s too much to tell. I did mention that a member of the Gambino family, stated that the U.S. government and the Vatican are more dangerous and corrupt then the Mafia ever was. I got that info from a link provided by Dublinsmick, who is always interesting.

    Everything is blamed on Jews and the Jesuits/Vatican role in events is ignored. Since they were the sparring partners in biblical times are they still battling each other or working together. As I’ve said before it’s a tangled web. The Jesuits haven’t always had control of the Catholic church.
    Prior to the appearance of mainstream “entertainment” based news and media, if you were to ask an educated person 100 years ago what single entity was the largest and wealthiest in the world, they would have told you without question the Roman Catholic Church.
    The Vatican is the largest holder of land titles for any organization or government in the world with visible title to around US $316 Billion of property (churches, schools, hospitals etc) and around US $2,623 Billion of investment property hidden in extremely complex networks of hundreds of thousands of trusts and front companies.
    So why can’t we discuss them?

    I suspect that Moi is a member of Team Outlaw.

  7. dogman says:

    While researching the Jesuits and their link to ancient bloodline families through the Grey Pope, it would be worth reading about the Venetiam Oligarchy too.
    From The Venetian Black Nobility and the Concept of Oligarchy by Dr. Webster Griffin Tarpley & James Higham

    The long and tortuous path of peoples through history sees the Khazars in the Holy Land and part of the Canaanites eventually in northern Italy, adopting the name “Sepharvaim” for deceptive purposes. They later became known as Venetians, and by marrying into European royalty and aristocracy, the “black nobility.”
    Source – http://investigate911.org
    /Oligarchy.htm

    • Its all so complex. Disinfo laid on truth laid on truth laid on distraction, laidon numerous truthful distracting facts
      Maybe we don’t need toknownthe full end of the history, agonise whether its Jesuits or tel aviv Knesset Satanists? Despite their clear infiltration of England
      maybe we should just identifuy it all as satanic etheric extradimensional invasion of thisplanet, undr a number of front guises?

      A detective doesn’t necessariy need to know exactly who his enemy serial killer is. He just needs to know and sense the modus operandi, and get an outline via circumstantial evidence, who the sick fucker is /fuckrs are doing the evil crimes. One doesn’t need to know their faces and identify them totally. Circumstantial evidence can help you close on quite tightly till its obvious, its Satanists talmudists/vaticainsits whoever else, its a wide umbrella but ill bet aboive the umbrella Satan and Satanists are the unifying thread , cement, that binds them. That and children

  8. Dublinmick says:

    I notice in that link and many others Paul Craig “Washington” Roberts is linked. Many do this. Even on his site the background shows the hidden hand symbol behind him.

    He can’t write and article with mentioned Washington about 30 times and goes on about everything is planned in Washington. That is called a limited hang out.

    George Mason University where he had a joint appointment as professor of economics and professor of business administration, and Georgetown University where he held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy in the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

    This is the real Georgetown.

    Georgetown University the private Jesuit college is where you go to really get ahead however. Are these Jesuits talented or simply connected?
    Jesuit trained, George Goebbels, George Tenet, Pat Buchanan, Joseph Stalin, Timothy Leary, King Juan Carlos, William Casey, Robert Gates, John Kerry, Denzel Washington, Robert Bobby Baer (CIA), King Abdullah (Jordan), Alexander Haig, Tom Clancey, Conan Doyle, Rene Descartes, Peter Lynch (Merrill Lynch) Antonin Scalia, Bill Murray, Alfred Hitchcock, Vicente Fox (Mexican Strongman) Charles De Gaulle, General Peter Pace, General David Petraeus, General James Jones, General George Casey, Nicolas Cage.
    Bill Clinton earned a Rhodes Scholarship to attend the University of Oxford after he graduated from Georgetown University, a private Jesuit college.

    HRH Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece, Prince of Denmark (MSFS 1995)
    HRH Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark (SFS 2008), the third son and fifth child of King Constantine II of Greece and Princess Anne-Marie of Denmark (Queen Anne-Marie of Greece), the youngest daughter of King Frederick IX of Denmark and sister of the reigning Queen Margrethe II of Denmark
    HH Prince Bernhard of Orange-Nassau, van Vollenhoven (SSCE 1988–1989), from the Dutch Royal Family, being cousin of the former Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands

    HRH Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg (SFS 1987), the third son and youngest child of Grand Duke Jean and Grand Duchess Josephine-Charlotte of Luxembourg

    HM Felipe VI, King of Spain (MSFS 1995)
    HRH Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud, son of the late King Faisal (SFS 1968)
    HRH Mohammed bin Nawwaf bin Abdul Aziz (SFS 1981)

    HRH Prince Hashim bin Al Hussein of Jordan (SFS 2005), the younger of the two sons of King Hussein and Queen Noor of Jordan, and half-brother of the reigning King Abdullah II of Jordan

    Abdullah flashes the mano carnuto to Putin

    HRH Prince Talal bin Muhammad of Jordan (SFS 1989, G 1989), the eldest son of Prince Muhammad bin Talal, the younger brother of King Hussein of Jordan, and the grandson of King Talal of Jordan

    HRH Princess Ghida of Jordan (SFS 1986, G 1986)
    HH Don Agustín de Iturbide y Green, Prince of Iturbide (C B.Phil.) – grandson of Don Agustín de Iturbide, the first Emperor of Mexico; became adopted son of Emperor Maximilian I and Empress Carlota of Mexico, from the House of Habsburg, and as the Emperors had no children, he became the heir to the throne; in exile (as Emperor Don Agustín III of Mexico, de jure) he taught Spanish and French at Georgetown for many years (died 1925).

    • No disrespect, who are you?
      Your site and comments on here are so knwoedgable, profound. You must have a great intelligence and dotnconnecting mind. You don’t copy and paste stuff, theres clear mental energy and postulating and dot connecting goes into your website
      are you a security service white hat?
      Ive been tiold they dint exist
      even though ive been convinced good factions within do exist, safe huse ryan Reynolds denzel Washington great film
      ill explore your site when I can, I hope you can reply to my leyline comment, any suggestions
      I soehow don’t think youre irish, in Dublin now, in a pub, enjoying guiness
      But if youd like to meet upin UK sometime at a good real ale pub that serves Guinness abd better English ales and chat id like to

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