The Flat Earth


I am posting this as a curiosity. But is there something being hidden from us? Why are there no decent photographs of Earth from the many satellites and ISS? They only reproduce the same illustrations and graphics obscured by wispy ‘clouds’. The famous so-called photograph taken from Apollo 11 through the capsule window shows a perfect sphere, not the slightly bulging equator we are told we have, and that image is constantly reproduced to show us how Earth is supposed to look. The YouTube video below is quite long but really fascinating.

The Bedford Level or Flat Earth Experiments

For thousands of years people assumed that the Earth was flat. Indeed, why would they have thought otherwise? But the idea lived on in the minds of some well beyond a time when most realised or accepted that it wasn’t.
In Victorian times an eccentric inventor (and co-incidentally a socialist advocate) Samuel Rowbotham, maintained that our planet was a flat disc with the north pole in the centre and a high wall of ice on the southern edge. (Maybe it would have been more logical to claim the wall encircled the whole disc to prevent the oceans and sea draining off.)
And so it was that the “Flat Earth Society” was formed.

Rowbotham had for a short time in 1838 been the Secretary of the Colony at Manea, a utopian experiment in community living, and was therefore aquainted with the Old Bedford River. So he choose the river (which he refers to as a canal) as the site for his experiments between 1838 and 1870 to prove his theory. He published a number of papers and books detailing his findings but unfortunately they are somewhat inconsistent.

In an 1865 publication he states that his 1838 experiment was on six mile stretch from Welney Bridge looking towards Welches’s Dam, whereas in the 1881 edition of his book “Zetectic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe” he says it was the other way round. The latter is supported by other remarks in the book, e.g. when describing an incident when he was asked to look in the ‘opposite direction’ (presumably looking south from Welches Dam) and witnessed the the apparent ‘disappearance’ of a vessel, which then reappeared a short time later. It seems the boat was simply out of sight while negotiating a small kink in the otherwise straight waterway. There is just such a kink at ‘The Gullet’ south of Sutton Gault.

When describing his fifth and last experiment in 1870, it seems he used a different part of the River because he says he made his observations from a sluice bridge two miles from Downham Market railway station (which he had arrived at from London) and he describes barges entering the canal from the River Ouse bound for Ramsey (which is accessible by boat via the 40 foot River from Welches Dam). He must therefore have been looking from Salter’s Lode (a hamlet to the east of Nordelph) towards Welney, which is also a distance of six miles.
The following article was written by my friend, the Webmaster of the Nordelph Website, for posting on both our websites.

The Bedford Level Experiments
“The issue was the relatively straightforward one of whether the Earth was flat (as the Zetetics held) or round (the Globularists). It’s tempting from the comfort of a 21st century scientific perspective to laugh at the Zetetics, but we should perhaps be inclined to a little humility. The Zetetic philosophy was essentially one of ‘proceeding by inquiry’, which meant that any proof that the Earth was round would have to be the result of an experiment, not simply calculation. The world looks flat (just as the sun seems to orbit the earth) so it should be presumed flat unless it could be demonstrated otherwise. The first attempt at an experiment was in 1838, when one Samuel Birley Rowbotham (‘Parallax’) made observations along the Old Bedford Level, one of Vermuyden’s finest drainage constructions and which, from Welney, runs dead straight for six miles. Rowbotham was a convinced flat-earthist, which may have influenced his observational technique.


But nevertheless, from Welney Bridge he clearly saw (through a telescope) barges on the river some six miles distant.
In fact, because of the curvature of the earth, from ground level looking over a flat surface, you can see no more than three miles — his barges should have been well below the horizon. The Zetetics concluded erroneously that the earth was flat, and everything went quiet until 1870..

There were doubtless many scientists around who could have pointed out that Rowbotham’s results are comfortably explained by the refraction of light close to a warm surface, the basis of many desert mirages. But no one seemed to have the stomach for more experimenting until Alfred Russel Wallace, noted for espousing the new theory of evolution and hence used to the impolite cut and thrust involved, set up a rather more elaborate experiment. In part, this was because one John Hampden of Swindon had underwritten a wager of some £500 [£1,000?] that a new experiment would establish the flatness of the earth for all time.

cover of Rowbotham’s 1870 book refers to a wager of £1,000
Three barges were used, on each of which was erected a straight rod, all the same height. The barges were moored two miles from each other along the same stretch of water. The tops of the rods were thus all the same distance above the surface of the earth. Using a theodolite, Wallace sighted from the top of the first rod to the top of the third. If the earth was flat, the top of the middle rod would lie on the same line.

In fact, because the earth was curved, the third rod was lower than the second: the second marker was a clear 32 inches above the line from the first to the third (sometimes reported to be five feet — doubtless to emphasise the clear victory for the Globularists).

This makes the diameter of the earth 7920 miles — pretty good for 1870, as we now believe that the earth’s equatorial diameter is 7926 miles (the earth isn’t a perfect sphere, and has different diameters at different places). Unfortunately for Wallace, but fortunately for those of us who are enjoying the story, the Zetetics (also known as the ‘planists’, by the way) looked at the same results and somehow managed to convince themselves that a trick of perspective was involved and that this did, after all, prove that the earth was flat! John Hampden refused to pay up, and the matter went to court some six years later. In a wonderful instance of jurisprudential cunning, the presiding judge declined to rule on what might be deduced from the experiments and contented himself with adjudging that such wagers were not legally binding! Hampden responded badly to a verdict that had, after all, saved him £500. He became obsessed and conducted a campaign of vilification against Wallace for the rest of his life, which led to several prosecutions for libel and accompanying prison sentences. As so often happens when people disagree, neither side ever managed to convince the other — indeed, the Flat Earth Society continued in being until the 1980’s.

What happened thereafter was that newcomers simply repeated the experiment associated with what they wanted to prove. In 1901, H. Yule Oldham repeated the Wallace experiment pretty exactly and got the same result, which he reported to the British Association for the Advancement of Science. In 1904, a Lady Blount repeated essentially the Rowbotham experiment with the added value of new-fangled photography: at least her result was demonstrable, and didn’t rely on hearsay. This time, she photographed a white sheet hanging two feet above the water, six miles away — just as Rowbotham had (and for the same reasons) she could see the theoretically hidden bottom of the sheet, and what’s more its reflection in the water!

We may laugh now, but it is hard to disbelieve the evidence of our eyes, and the Zetetics were not fools. One modern analogy might provoke some reflection. The Bedford Level experimenters used the river because it was flat and straight. As with us, they looked around and saw jagged mountains, ocean trenches and very little flatness — the river was a godsend. But in fact, considering the scale, compared to a billiard ball the earth is several orders of magnitude smoother on its surface!”

The Flat Earth Society described above may have died, but the name lives on in the form of a Belgium big band. Established in 1997, The Flat Earth Society has performed in festivals across Europe, notable Bruges, Brusselles and Duisberg.
Update, January 2010
The (non-band) Flat Earth Society was ‘resurrected’ in 2004, and in October 2009 it re-opened to new members. In November 2009 Daniel Shenton, the President of the Society wrote to Welney Parish Council requesting permission to display a plaque on the Bedford Bridge commemorating the 1838 experiment. The matter was discussed at the Council’s meeting in December 2009 and it was suggested he should contact the Highways dept [of Norfolk CC] who have jurisdiction over such matters. You can read more at item 11g in the Council’s minutes. At the same meeting a letter from Russell Duffy regarding Mr Shenton’s request was discussed. See item 11i in the same minutes.

Shortly after posting this update I learned that the Parish Council should have told Mr Shenton to contact the Bridges Department [of NorfolkCC] as it is they that deals with such matters, not Highways.
Learn more of the Flat Earth Society at their own new website.


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15 Responses to “The Flat Earth”

  1. charles allan says:

    See jim stone’s website about the flat earth psyop. Can be used by google to downgrade your website

    • Jennifer says:

      Charles Allan, I can only call that ‘co-incidence’ or synchronicity maybe. I love Jim Stone, but have been so busy I have not been there for a few days – and now I just have thanks to you. There must be something in the air.

  2. Jennifer says:

    I don’t know about google’s algorithms and why flat earth should be a target of them – there are any number of whacky theories out there if accuracy is to be a determining factor in blogsite ratings.
    And yes, I too have seen the curvature of the earth at 35000 feet (or maybe that was the special glass in the window). But we can’t let google determine what we can discuss, can we?
    The Flat Earth Theory has many deep historic and cultural ramifications, more important to the history of human beliefs than a self important search engine can ever begin to appreciate.

    • charles allan says:

      The geocentric theory is verifiable as the mathematics work for both helio and geo as Hubble , Hoyle and Einstein

      But the MSN will want to tag you with a “flat earther” label to discredit any truth you may blog.
      So the will want to get a flat earth tag on any truther site

  3. mitch says: has been exposed as controlled opposition.Go here instead: (The International Flat Earth Research Society)

  4. dofornow says:

    I watched Ursula’s Interview with utter amazement … so lucid and accurate. She got through fantastically well … obviously she was prepared for all the tricks of the MSM devils trade !
    Folk of a certain age have always been a problem ..especially if they are not shouted down or clobbered by thugs and judges with a job to do!
    Most of what we have been told… belongs in the flat earth box along with other NWO facts.

  5. Karen says:

    Best information on the subject is Eric Dubay on his site He started publishing this subject from December 2014. Also look at I am a complete concert. Have had doubts all through my life but it is so big that we accept what we are told. flat earth society website might currently be controlled opposition.

  6. sovereigntea says:

    On September 18, 1968, Zond-5 became the first spacecraft to circle the Moon and return to land on Earth. The camera systems on Zond-5 through Zond-8 were designed by a team under Boris N. Rodionov at the Moscow State University of Geodesy and Cartography (MIIGAiK). They also performed most of the analysis of the returned images. It photographed the Earth from a distance of 90,000 km, but a subsequent malfunction of the orientation system prevented it from photographing the Moon:

    • Jennifer says:

      Sovereigntea, thanks those Russian images are much more interesting than NASA’s.

      • charles allan says:

        “Galileo was wrong the church was right” is an interesting website. The bible says “the earth is still – it cannot be moved” and has many other such chapters saying this eg in Job.
        But I had no idea that some great astronomers today hold that both systems can work.
        The universe revolving around a stationery earth has the same effect as the earth spinning in a somewhat stationery universe according to relativity.
        The seas and atmosphere would be in incredible turmoil with a spinning earth
        as in Jupiter.
        But as for me the earth is a sphere and the psalmist says this.

  7. Jennifer says:

    Actually this video is probably more interesting than the one I originally posted.

    • Tap if I didn’t know better the paranoid part of my brain that feels the world is run by black magic, and conspiracies surround us at every turn.
      My mind also entertains the possibility, the Trojan Horse strategy the Tavistock Mind Control black magicians employ……of giving a buried lie underneath the main headline lie theyre expecting us to analyse and either reject or accept. Meanwhile the benign looking ‘secondary’ lie (which is the main one Tavistock wants to implant in our beliefs), gets reembedded into the mass consciousness

      The BBCs Michael Palins Pole to Pole series? Does the BBC have any Freemasonic Tavistock connections I wonder? Surely not. The BBC only tells us the truth. it is beyond reproach. Everyone knows that

      Also look at this
      43) If Earth was a ball there are several flights in the Southern hemisphere which would have their quickest, straightest path over the Antarctic continent such as Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia. Instead of taking the shortest, quickest route in a straight line over Antarctica, all such flights detour all manner of directions away from Antarctica instead claiming the temperatures too cold for airplane travel! Considering the fact that there are plenty of flights to/from/over Antarctica, and NASA claims to have technology keeping them in conditions far colder (and far hotter) than any experienced on Earth, such an excuse is clearly just an excuse, and these flights aren’t made because they are impossible.

      44) If Earth was a ball, and Antarctica was too cold to fly over, the only logical way to fly from Sydney to Santiago would be a straight shot over the Pacific staying in the Southern hemisphere the entire way. Re-fueling could be done in New Zealand or other Southern hemisphere destinations along the way if absolutely necessary. In actual fact, however, Santiago-Sydney flights go into the Northern hemisphere making stop-overs at LAX and other North American airports before continuing back down to the Southern hemisphere. Such ridiculously wayward detours make no sense on the globe but make perfect sense and form nearly straight lines when shown on a flat Earth map.
      45) On a ball-Earth, Johannesburg, South Africa to Perth, Australia should be a straight shot over the Indian Ocean with convenient re-fueling possibilities on Mauritus or Madagascar. In actual practice, however, most Johannesburg to Perth flights curiously stop over either in Dubai, Hong Kong or Malaysia all of which make no sense on the ball, but are completely understandable when mapped on a flat Earth.

      46) On a ball-Earth Cape Town, South Africa to Buenos Aries, Argentina should be a straight shot over the Atlantic following the same line of latitude across, but instead every flight goes to connecting locations in the Northern hemisphere first, stopping over anywhere from London to Turkey to Dubai. Once again these make absolutely no sense on the globe but are completely understandable options when mapped on a flat Earth.

      47) On a ball-Earth Johannesburg, South Africa to Sao Paolo, Brazil should be a quick straight shot along the 25th Southern latitude, but instead nearly every flight makes a re-fueling stop at the 50th degree North latitude in London first! The only reason such a ridiculous stop-over works in reality is because the Earth is flat.

      48) On a ball-Earth Santiago, Chile to Johannesburg, South Africa should be an easy flight all taking place below the Tropic of Capricorn in the Southern hemisphere, yet every listed flight makes a curious re-fueling stop in Senegal near the Tropic of Cancer in the North hemisphere first! When mapped on a flat Earth the reason why is clear to see, however, Senegal is actually directly in a straight-line path half-way between the two.

  8. Aldous says:

    ‘er indoors – who must be obeyed at all times – thinks this website is out of this world and never flat or boring. When I showed her this latest article just now, she said, “Well maybe I just meant not boring.”

    She’s a right tater my missus – she went to school you know. We’ve been married over 50 years – a few of them good. However, she has an irksome habit of suddenly reminiscing:

    “We didn’t used to ‘ave no tellies or computers or blogospheres. We med us own fun in them days. Aldous dear, do you remember, when we could get a tram down into t’town, buy three new dresses an’ a suit, four pair o’ good shoes, go an’ see George Formby at t’Palace Theatre, get blind drunk, ‘ave some steak an’ chips, bunch o’ bananas an’ three stone o’ monkey nuts an’ still ‘ave change out of a farthing.

    We’d lots o’ things in them days they ‘aven’t got today – rickets, diphtheria, global conflict and my, we did look well goin’ to school wi’ no backside in us togs an’ all us little ‘eads painted purple because we ‘ad ringworm.

    They don’t know they’re born today.”
    ~ Tony Capstick 1944 – 2003

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