What’s This Vicky Haigh Thing All About? State Child Seizure.

As for the allegations implying a mother can teach a daughter to call a father a paedophile, how would a girl of 5/6/7 even know what it was unless it had happened to her?

Why do Police want to seize her unborn baby?

JULY 20th 2011 UPDATE – NEW REPORT HERE
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/23/racehorse-trainer-vicky-haigh-coached-her-daughter-to-falsely-claim-her-dad-was-a-paedophile-high-court-rules-115875-23365076/

12:26 PM
Tapestry said…
The weak part of the judge’s decision is when he says that she should not have communicated her story through the internet or through Parliament. What the hell else is the mother to do? And what’s the difference between the internet and any other communication channel?

If his decision rests on that, he’s not working well.

As for the allegations implying a mother can teach a daughter to call a father a paedophile, how would a girl of 5/6/7 even know what it was unless it had happened to her?

I know. It must be true. It’s in the papers.

Following my report last week that the former jockey and trainer Vicky Haigh had fled to Ireland to pre-empt her unborn baby being seized by Nottinghamshire social workers, she received a call on her mobile from Nottinghamshire police. “Your social worker,” she was told, “has reported you as a missing person.” Miss Haigh’s reply was that she was not aware that she had a social worker, and that she was certainly not a “missing person”, since she was well aware of where she was – in Ireland, as had been reported by a national newspaper.

The policeman acknowledged that, since Ireland was “out of my jurisdiction”, there was nothing he could do about it. Some time later, however, the father of Miss Haigh’s baby (which is due in a few days) was visited in England by another policeman, wanting to search the house. The father rang Miss Haigh and asked her to explain to the policeman that she was in Ireland, and that there would therefore be little point in him searching the house.
The policeman left, but was eventually followed by two more CID officers, also wanting to search the house and to ascertain Miss Haigh’s exact whereabouts. When her partner explained that he did not know her address in Ireland, because she had been careful not to tell him, he was threatened with arrest for “perverting the course of justice”.
Miss Haigh has committed no offence; she is not a “missing person” – so the police should have no interest in her whereabouts. Is there not a punishable offence known as “wasting police time”?
Christopher Booker, Telegraph.
This story makes no sense.  Which means there is more to tell.  But what?

From COMMENT from Stuart below –  TAP – Still not sure what this is all about.  It needs a short explanation from someone not directly involved.  The points Booker makes above seem appropriate to the case explained below.  It seems that the State wants to seize the daughter from the mother, and has done so, despite the mother being guilty of nothing.  She now (justifiably) fears the removal of her unborn baby.  Has the world gone mad?   Child seizure by the State seems to be a frequent event these days, all done in secret according to Booker and others.  This case sounds like there needs to be a reassessment of what’s happened.  But as the details are all kept from the public, and the Family Courts operate in secret, the public is not allowed to know.  

COMMENT – UPDATE ON VICKY HAIGH – will she soon be re-united with her daughter R…..? (Please keep up the Public pressure, Vicky remains innocent of any wrong-doing!)

Posted on April 8, 2011 by Admin
via Paul:-
Hello again everyone
UPDATE ON VICKY HAIGH – will she soon be re-united with her daughter R…..? (Please keep up the Public pressure, Vicky remains innocent of any wrong-doing!)
Thank you all so much for your tremendous Public support to help Vicky’s plight.  It’s good to see so many of us have a ‘social conscience’ for our fellow man – the very rock upon which sound and happy Societies are built upon, simply living with Love and the ‘Golden Rule’, this is the only really powerful way to transform our experience and raise Consciousness on the collective levels… people are fundamentally caring for each other’s needs, countering the de-humanisation and amoral standards of egotistical ‘government & social workers’ who have surrendered their power to AN-other, EU and banking tyranny & pressure that has thrust the illusions of “debt” on to us all, destroying families and interloping on people’s right to peace and happiness.  We can’t allow police tyranny in our Society.
I had a long chat with Sgt. Sheridan last evening. He admitted  he was “very concerned” about many of the issues I raised. He agreed there were things to look in to, and said he would speak to the Inspector about the matter, and get him to ring me (no call has come thru yet); but he insisted Vicky had to be kept in custody overnight, which I objected strongly to.  
Then, predictably, Vicky had to go back to hospital due to a worsening of her condition (including anaemia, more pains etc – nor surprising after spending a night in custody on hard benches, NOT the place for a heavily pregnant mother to be let alone anyone).  She has spent most of today in hospital – with the police breathing over her, at her side. Were they waiting for her baby to be born early so they could snatch her away? The mind boggles.
This evening, 2 CID officers have been to see Vicky, and were stunned to learn that “all” Vicky had done “wrong” was to go shopping in a petrol station shop last week – when she coincidentally bumped in to her daughter whom she misses so much and pines to be reunited with, along with the deviant father of the child:  the main Doncaster police Force had ridiculously over-reacted and cast aspersions on Vicky’s innocent position (WHY??). 


We have reason to believe they have been fuelled by the BROTHER of the paedo-father, called MICHAEL **** of the Humberside police Force!  Guilty David **** (the errant father) is obviously losing his stranglehold on Justice, and hitting out in any way he can now: he vindictively called ’999′ when Vicky saw her daughter, and made up lies to get Vicky arrested, FOR NO GOOD REASON!  


This is why she wasn’t even charged with anything:  such madness.  Now, is it possible they are maybe stopping to THINK for a change? 


PC Andy Bursall literally tricked Vicky into attending the station last night “just to do a quick interview and then return home” then locked her in a cell on arrival and he went home. Disgusting? Is he by any chance a friend of David or Michael ****’s?
Interesting isn’t it, that innocent Vicky should get persecuted like this, and mindless and thoughtless actions of the police have prevailed – including them banging on her door at 4am 3 nights ago (and having arrested her on other occasions earlier in this pregnancy, all completely OTT and without purpose).  Now, it appears that the CID officers may be suspicious that “there may be more to this than meets the eye”, and they are coming back to take Vicky for interview at 8am tomorrow morning.  Let’s hope that they will go to arrest paedophile David **** who has seriously perverted Justice, along with the fraudulent “solicitor” LISA **** who openly deceived and misled the Court, to reverse David **** from having the ‘supervised contact visits’ to his daughter, instead putting this status of supervised contact visits on to innocent Vicky! They are the two main REAL villains. 

Can you imagine how incredibly stupid all the Social Services staff and police have been over this case, to date – including the police’s criminal negligence in IGNORING THE EVIDENCE of the child’s clear complaints about “what daddy was doing to me” in TWO video interviews!? Staggering. 


This proves the police have committed serious (criminal) negligence. They have built their “case” on sand, compounding confusion and lies on top of one another, fuelled by guilty and wrongful agendas.
Make no mistake about it – ALL of these happenings are only because of the greed of Govt. workers and County Councils, filling their coffers with thousands of pounds of taxpayers money through engineering “CARE ORDERS” for themselves – at ANY cost to the mother and child. Money is their ‘goal’ and children are their ‘fodder’.


(are they are on a targets bonus?)


Government interference with families should be abolished – and heavily fines administered to offenders! Please keep up the great  support and invaluable help
Best wishes, Liz
Begin forwarded message:
From: Elizabeth
Date: 7 April 2011 02:08:06 BST
To: Theresa May <mayt@parliament.uk>
Subject: SOS call for Public help for heavily pregnant Vicky – being tortured by police WITHOUT LAWFUL REASON
PLEASE URGENTLY CIRCULATE
Dear All,
Re:  Vicky is being tortured by Doncaster police – now, as we speak
Please will everyone help urgently?  Poor Vicky has been arrested & unlawfully held in custody, despite having done nothing wrong and despite being heavily pregnant and due to give birth in the coming month. She collapsed earlier today from the stress, and was in hospital with pains from her unborn baby’s distress (and also was in hospital last week in London for the same reason, when she went down there attend the Hse of Commons meeting with Cafcass chairman Anthony Douglas that evening). Understandably, vicky is deeply distraught.
I’ve just had a long chat with Sgt. SHERIDAN who said he is noting what I’ve said and will get on immediately to the duty Inspector Hitchener & get him to ring me back. They are wrongly detaining her and have not even charged her.  It is supposedly because she “breached” an asinine ‘non-molestation’ order, which was obtained through deception (see below).
Fact is, VICKY IS INNOCENT of ANY wrong doing
An absurd “non molestation order” was wrongly bought against her – by a FAKE “solicitor”, Lisa ****, from Doncaster social Services (“DMBC”) before xmas 2010.
Then I found out just before xmas 2010 that Lisa **** is NOT a solicitor after ALL !  This means she has misled the Court, which is a criminal offence!
Yet nothing has been corrected on this yet!
The position of the paedo father having supervised contact visits, was REVERSED because of Lisa Bunn, fake solicitor! This is why the court “orders” are 100% invalid and must be overturned, including the ill-founded ‘non-molestation’ order.  Justice has been perverted heinously on the case.  PLEASE HELP TO RESTORE JUSTICE FOR VICKY.
Poor Vicky has been persecuted since January 2010 when her daughter was unlawfully snatched from her by DMBC & traded as if she was a financial instrument
Meanwhile DMBC have been getting thousands of pounds a week for every child in “CARE” including Vicky’s 7 yr daughter, who screamed for her mother as they dragged her away.
The shocking thing is that the child was given on a platter to the paedo father, despite the police HAVING 2 VIDEO INTERVIEWS EVIDENCING THE CHILD:S TESTIMONY “of what daddy has been doing to me… that he shouldn’t have been doing”, with child-like language of unmistakeable criminal acts of paedophilia.  It is a disgrace. DMBC have already killed 7 children who’ve died in their so-called “care” and they have 28 convictions of FRAUD against their staff! (and now Lisa Bunn makes one more) – they are also under OFSTED “supervision” because of their deplorable acts of negligence & incompetence.  WHAT ARE OUR CHILDREN’S MINISTERS DOING ABOUT THIS ?  Tim Loughton – marked by his absence.  Sarah Teather – ditto.
Please write in (by fax if poss) and also pls call the police to support Vicky’s immediate release, and for police protection to be provided to her from now on.  The police had been banging on her door at 4am just 2 nights ago (for the 4th time or so) and they are doing wrong by her.
Police tel nos:  01302 385241  and  01302 385240
fax: 01302 385243
Regards
Liz


Here’s another case of serial injustice, allegation of unaddressed illegal acts by government officials,   combined with media silence…


UPDATE on ‘The Child Stealing Epidemic’ from eureferendum


Completely unable or unwilling to address the issues raised by Booker on the child-stealing epidemicThe Guardian instead focuses on attacking Booker, on the basis of criticism by Judge Bellamy.

The thrust of the argument is that Booker did not attend the court proceedings about which he has written, demonstrating that James Robinson, the media correspondent is clearly unable to grasp the issues – viz that reporting restrictions prevent any details of the court cases being published. Every time Booker has sought to obtain details with a view to publication, he has been blocked.

When he originally posted the story, Robinson was unaware even of Booker’s rebuttal in last weekend’s edition of The Sunday Failygraph, leaving his piece more than a little unbalanced. But then, we don’t expect Guardian media correspondents actually to read the work of the journalists they are criticising. Only now that he has been advised of the content have we seen a substantial silent edit. Being in the MSM means, as always, never having to admit you are wrong.

Moonbat is also at it, with such boring, repetitive predictability that it simply re-affirms that the man has lost the plot, and that the newspaper for which he works has given up any attempt seriously at reporting news objectively (or at all, in many cases).

The controversy of the stolen children continues, however, on a legal blog, an entry in the comments pointing out that even when a journalist from the Failygraph actually attended a court, he was not allowed to report any detail, rather making Booker’s point. Unfortunately, we are not in the real world here, and any attempt at address the real issues gets lost in the miasma of prejudice and woolly thinking.

 There is no hope here – reason has long departed.


COMMENT FROM STEPHEN JENNER on EUREFERENDUM –


My wife works in the NHS as a nurse at a respite centre for children with special needs, she works closely with social services, and parents… My niece works as a nurse at an NHS hospital, her speciality and training is in the mental health arena. My wife makes regular visits to the homes of children, and without naming any names she often tells me that she has never witnessed such squalor and frankly weird behaviour by parents who are often deprived themselves. My niece tells me that many of her ‘clients’ are parents who also happen to be mentally unstable due to addictions of some sort, and for these parents, lying is second nature.

I was driving along the other day and I mentioned the stories that I had been reading from Christopher, and they were pretty unsympathetic, they seemed to indicate that in most cases, judgements by the various professions were well founded. 

They both talked about the practice of holding “case conferences” where those involved, doctors, nurses, social workers, police and parents were all invited to take part and all would have their chance to speak and present their case. However, in many cases the parents did not show up, despite cancellations being arranged so that they could/would appear later. I said that I suspected that many parents would feel intimidated by the “experts” all ranged against them, they said that these were civilised events and that in most cases they, “the professionals” knew that they were doing the right thing.

So anyway, I hear the argument from both sides, and it seems to me that the biggest issue is the secretive nature and the gagging orders placed on parents who really do believe that there has been some sort of rough justice handed down. This secrecy seems to be “for the sake of the children”, and it is this that I don’t buy and cannot accept, in these cases the behaviour by the authorities serves none of the victims, the children (victims of the state) and parents (victims of the state)!

Surely the simple thing would be to allow such parents to get some redress, by calling their own experts and having their own full recourse to the courts, at the expense of us if necessary, because it is at our expense that any poor judgements are being made in the first place. 

It might also help if judges had to face the regular scrutiny of the public, the sort of closed shop that they operate in cannot be healthy, surely the parents should be able to state whether the charges that they face should be deliberated in public, or in camera, rather than the authorities. The children are frequently too young or mentally incapacitated to know what is being done (allegedly) on their behalf anyway.

This does not seem to be a matter for rocketeers.


UPDATE –


SENT IN ON COMMENTS BELOW BY SABINE MCNEILL –


MY DADDY IS A PAEDOPHILE
HOW SEXUAL ABUSE BECAME THE REASON FOR ALLOWING MORE OF IT!


This story cannot be imagined because it is too outrageous. It must be believed because it is 
true. It has happened and is happening NOW, involving a 7-year-old girl whose father is a 
paedophile and whose mother tried to save her from him.

She divorced him and is pregnant again from a loving partner who was a key victim to the 
girl admitting to abuse.

In the process of rescuing her daughter from her father, the mother had to get involved with
six major players of a Local Authority
eight Social Workers, a number of managers of the Children and Family Court 
Advisory Service CAFCASS, supposedly to be disbanded,
seven medical professionals, 
a few „miscellanous‟ players.

Evidence of the girl being abused has existed since December 2006. She has been away from 
her mother since November 2010.
  
Fraudulent court proceedings were instigated by a social worker who pretended to be „head 
lawyer‟ and continued by a qualified solicitor involving eight solicitors or barristers and four 
judges.

This Council in question is one of many abusing a new industry of „forced adoptions


1
‟, state 
kidnapping
2
or the state stealing children
3
. Social Services are such that one website is called 
Social Service Hell
4
and a class action has been placed before the International Criminal 
Court in The Hague
5

There is a “Reporting Restriction Order” out against “The Media” which the Council‟s 
lawyer served on WordPress after I published an item relating to the case. 


WordPress believe 
the document to be legal while I question its validity in Court, as Advocate of the Rule of 
Law in the Public Interest, together with Liz Watson of One Voice Action group. 


Hence this „anonymised‟ version of the story that Liz put together before I edited it.


Go To http://nameshamesocialworkers.blogspot.com/




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48 Responses to “What’s This Vicky Haigh Thing All About? State Child Seizure.”

  1. Snakey says:

    I worked for Social Services for over 2 years. The department where I worked was totally corrupt in so many ways and due to standing up to said corruption, I lost my job and have been unable to obtain another one. Social Services is being used to enact one of the ten communist planks – destruction of the family – and I am relieved that I am no longer enabling them to pursue their agenda.

  2. Tapestry says:

    What kind of corruption, Snakey? Were officers paid money for something? What did you stand up to?

  3. Snakey says:

    Well, it’s a long story and it has nothing to do with the sort of thing that goes on with the Court of Protection. I never saw any evidence of wrongdoing for that kind of thing because I was simply a lowly admin worker in an area office that didn’t deal with those kinds of cases. Nevertheless, in hindsight I now see that I was not working in the best interests of children when they were basically being dumped in a children’s home or with an endless series of ‘foster’ parents. I thought I was helping. I wasn’t.

    What I disagreed with was a particular member of staff was stealing flexi time and taking huge amounts of time off sick for spurious reasons at the tax payer’s expense. I had copious witnesses but in the end management disbelieved me regarding the theft of time off and the person concerned just got a warning for her all day internet usage which she would undertake instead of working.

    I became ill through all the stress of bringing the complaint (on my own and which took over 7 months to complete) only to be told at the end of it all that I was ‘obsessed’, thereby impugning my mental health (despite having witnesses to the theft). I no longer wished to work for such corrupt people. It may seem a small thing but the attitude of those who work in Social Services is one of entitlement and all they actually care about is their own positions and salary, not children. Due to said person taking time off I ended up doing her job and this caused time pressures, which led to mistakes and it was this that I railed against. One cannot afford to make mistakes where the protection of children is concerned. No-one took me seriously and I no longer wished to work within a such an immoral cesspool. I could see another Doncaster arising and did not wish to be involved with such people anymore.

    It has been mentioned by the MSM that sick leave within councils is endemic and this is absolutely true. The person I complained about wasn’t the only person doing it and in the end it was made clear to me that such behaviour was actively encouraged by managers (probably so they could get higher budgets every year).

    Since leaving I have read about the C of P and I wish I had some dirt on that particular nasty aspect, but I don’t unfortunately. It was enough for me to learn that members of staff *think* they are good people, but in actuality they are no better than the bureaucrats of a certain mid 20th century european regime.

  4. Tapestry says:

    Snakey’s reply

    Well, it’s a long story and it has nothing to do with the sort of thing that goes on with the Court of Protection. I never saw any evidence of wrongdoing for that kind of thing because I was simply a lowly admin worker in an area office that didn’t deal with those kinds of cases. Nevertheless, in hindsight I now see that I was not working in the best interests of children when they were basically being dumped in a children’s home or with an endless series of ‘foster’ parents. I thought I was helping. I wasn’t.

    What I disagreed with was a particular member of staff was stealing flexi time and taking huge amounts of time off sick for spurious reasons at the tax payer’s expense. I had copious witnesses but in the end management disbelieved me regarding the theft of time off and the person concerned just got a warning for her all day internet usage which she would undertake instead of working.

    I became ill through all the stress of bringing the complaint (on my own and which took over 7 months to complete) only to be told at the end of it all that I was ‘obsessed’, thereby impugning my mental health (despite having witnesses to the theft). I no longer wished to work for such corrupt people. It may seem a small thing but the attitude of those who work in Social Services is one of entitlement and all they actually care about is their own positions and salary, not children. Due to said person taking time off I ended up doing her job and this caused time pressures, which led to mistakes and it was this that I railed against. One cannot afford to make mistakes where the protection of children is concerned. No-one took me seriously and I no longer wished to work within a such an immoral cesspool. I could see another Doncaster arising and did not wish to be involved with such people anymore.

    It has been mentioned by the MSM that sick leave within councils is endemic and this is absolutely true. The person I complained about wasn’t the only person doing it and in the end it was made clear to me that such behaviour was actively encouraged by managers (probably so they could get higher budgets every year).

    Since leaving I have read about the C of P and I wish I had some dirt on that particular nasty aspect, but I don’t unfortunately. It was enough for me to learn that members of staff *think* they are good people, but in actuality they are no better than the bureaucrats of a certain mid 20th century european regime.

  5. Glad to you see that you, too, are violating the ‘reporting restriction order’ against “The Media”. Unfortunately, WordPress have taken it seriously and I had to delete the post relating to Vicky and eight relating to The Stealing of Baby Harley in Wales.

    However, Liz Watson is still threatened with prison while Mr Justice Baker said “he did make the order” and “renewed” it on May 9th.

    So my last attempt to make a difference was to publish the Welst petition “The Secrecy of Family Courts should be lifted NOW” [http://bit.ly/kExfF1] and to aim at a Parliamentary debate.

    At 100 a day we’ll reach 100,000 in 3 years which will give us that. See http://bit.ly/lEgViN

    Onward and upward online!!!

  6. Anonymous says:

    She is not all she appears ‘BEWARE’.
    Now at some 50 years old ??
    This woman has some serious dodgy history.
    split personality would be an under statement.
    Easily points at men, & quickly gives many eronious comments.
    Ran away to seedy london in the 1980’s makes you wonder, her very questionable childhood upbringing.
    Partnered up with Shadey corrupt Nariner Dhillon in some seriously shady corruptible dealings.
    She is actually NAMED, contracted, & conned broke, duped a elderly retired southern Ireland key businessman early 1990’s Ken Chaloner Smith the stress killed him.
    Infact the SI Garder/police were chasing close fellow colleague NI Stuart Graham now in USA Sandiago? CA ‘again’ as here escaping UK law – sadly his son clearly disturbed, commited suicide in a NI Jail after a minor store theft issue. this is just a fraction of the sespit she swims in. AVOID at all costs if you value your life!!
    so sorry but the truth hurts. she is a lost cause dont get duped!!!!!

  7. Tapestry says:

    Quite a few ran away to ‘seedy London’, including me, although I made it there in the 70’s – quite fun, if I remember.

    If she is expecting a baby, as stated, being 50 is going it somewhat.

    Many people have had a bad relationships with a wrong’un. Wrong’uns with wrong’un colleagues is the norm.

    Not enough here to convict the woman, I’m afraid.

    I am not being duped, just suggesting that the Police removing an unborn child at birth is an horrific act, which should not be committed in total secrecy.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Ouch so sensitive!. yet still? seeking the truth?.
    I’m a little disappointed, not so open minded now.
    Why is it her head lines. that have made you biased?.
    Up the duff at some “50” she is no spring chicken to easily feel sorry for.
    Vicky A hard nosed, slippery, greedy, capitalist, business director, bully that hates to find that the LAW, under her passed logged behaviour, can reasonably challenge her abuse.
    The elevated belief she is above the law, she feels is for the masses plebs you & me. Vicky put family on hold to her career or?.
    She is worldly and police would have openly arrested her & she would have had the right to a call, solicitor etc sounds like she was on home turf also.
    Clearly going to the house of commons as a heavily pregnant mother she seems comfortable with duress in keeping with her background.
    After reading all the biased story so far i felt it only fair reasonable to show a real reflective side to this aggressive mature woman, not your average pregnant lady!.
    I hope the truth does NOT offend.
    I am sure you would like to make a educated impartial judgement on all the facts, not bias one sided engineered to default the outcome. leaving you to reflect when its too late, after all children are important and her history does bring things into question.
    Exposing frauds is what this sites all about isn’t it? I’ve only touched a fraction of her past personal actions that HAS had a major negative effects on many, old & young.
    At under 30 wasn’t she responsible for her actions damaging & harmful to others or do you condone fraud, theft, abused to abandon by her PERSONALLY. & certainly she has never put right any wrongs.
    Her partner in crime was Narinder Dhillon believed still lives near Vicky!!! They hurt many. lies, decept, double dealings she was directly party to, & signed contracts!!!!
    This massive promotion found here on the net & the press etc shows she still has the ability to stir things up. No spring chicken or innocent, don’t get duped.
    Horrific! YES Babies & pregnant mums definitely ‘front-page news’ job done.
    (Ken Portugal)

  9. Tapestry says:

    So you don’t like her then!

    If there are any substantial allegations here, they are entirely hidden in your relentless diatribe which carries not a jot of information, or at least none that I can decipher.

  10. Anonymous says:

    please read all again & absorb.
    Notice ‘director’ ‘Contracts’ harm to others due to her actions.
    If she stole your parents Future & retirement funds how would you feel? there is also a domino effect to all this HER actions.
    please consider this :-
    Her lack of ability to keep a deep meaningful stable relationship with her Partner & Children.
    A Real FAMILY?
    Sometimes you need time to gather the TRUTH.
    Remember Heather Mills?, every one fell for her charms, costly mistake for Paul McCartney?
    still falling for Vicky’s charms? or is she paying you?

  11. Tapestry says:

    I detect a grudge that someone has lost your savings for you. I would like to be sympathetic but without some kind of detailed explanation, which is not polemic and raging, I am not.

    You lost money so you think someone should have their baby removed by the Police in revenge. Is this an attempt at a justification? I don’t buy it.

  12. Well written, dear Tapestry!

    And, dear Anonymous, no matter what you think about the woman, do read the child’s accounts of her sexual abuse on My Daddy is a Paedophile on http://bit.ly/lmlORm and on http://bit.ly/jn3Ie5

    Thank You.

  13. Anonymous says:

    SABINE your link does not work!
    Are we all being short changed here?.
    My responses are NOT all being listed so much is missing from my side so this site is NOT so open & honest for all to be able to fully correctly evaluate.
    As I’m sure you would prefer to see all the facts prior to responding.
    So i do appreciate your olive branch of info to ensure i have the facts.Thanks

  14. Anonymous says:

    SABINE your link does not work!
    Are we all being short changed here?.
    My responses are NOT all being listed so much is missing from my side so this site is NOT so open & honest for all to be able to fully correctly evaluate.
    As I’m sure you would prefer to see all the facts prior to responding.
    So i do appreciate your olive branch of info to ensure i have the facts.Thanks

  15. Tapestry says:

    Anonymous, your ‘stuff’ is arriving on my emails but is not getting through to the blog. Blogger must have a limit on you. I could copy and paste it in, but it doesn’t add anything to what you’ve said already.

    Sabine’s link is added to the blog post above so you can read it there.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Hi Polemic – that’s funny, even rich. That’s you isn’t it!!
    I doubt your interest in my issues are sincere.
    & handing out my dirty washing was not the plan, as if you even cared anyway.
    As a failed past model she’s well aware a picture can convey a thousand words.
    AHha what is this, she was a failed model, this dated picture, look she’s not pregnant, clearly trying to convey an acceptable receptive biased untrue misleading & dated image .
    That she puts animals before humans anyway?.
    Bias to the extreme I see & read here. only giving a part of a side of her, clearly not previously exposed.

    She has her passport stamped & rammed to the brim a global trotter to say the least absconding abroad is no big deal to her. please note:- she is NOT young innocent miss average in deep water!!.she will drag you in with her covert plan.
    Her past will revisit, or what goes around comes around. ying yang or karma.
    AND No my parents were NOT caught in her web of corrupt, fraudulent deceit. so YOUR ‘WRONG’.
    & I did not loose this money so your ‘WRONG’ AGAIN .
    & to imply I have no care for an unborn BABY is simply headline grabbing BSH*t >> This that ‘YOU’ state is what really saddens me.
    as the police seem to be the innocent child to be’s only possible saviour. but now she has absconded therein lies the joke.
    So ‘THIRDLY’ your wrong again.
    +

  17. Anonymous says:

    She has her passport stamped & rammed to the brim a global trotter to say the least absconding abroad is no big deal to her. please note:- she is NOT young innocent miss average in deep water!!.she will drag you in with her covert plan.
    Her past will revisit, or what goes around comes around. ying yang or karma.
    AND No my parents were NOT caught in her web of corrupt, fraudulent deceit. so YOUR ‘WRONG’.
    & I did not loose this money so your ‘WRONG’ AGAIN .
    & to imply I have no care for an unborn BABY is simply headline grabbing BSH*t >> This that ‘YOU’ state is what really saddens me.
    as the police seem to be the innocent child to be’s only possible saviour. but now she has absconded therein lies the joke.
    So ‘THIRDLY’ your wrong again.
    +

  18. Anonymous says:

    I’m so disappointed that you are so shallow to miss my aim of free & fair information, Regarding to me which seems a biased review here. On the basis I KNOW HER!!!.
    & certainly YEARS before you did.
    I WITNESSED HER “RIPPING OFF MANY FOLK” some “OAP’S” savings & self-respect with out a jot of care. SO BEWARE YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SHE IS NOT WHAT SHE SEEMS.
    Even selling body parts or even babies to order would not surprise me. so please pause and read again what has been written here.not spit out a shallow one one line headline grabbing one liners you shallow empty head TAPESTRY yes you who dangle the carrot,rather than reconsider your loyalty to this trash, person Vicky Haigh. – I want to wretch.

  19. Sum Dude says:

    I feel much sympathy for Vicky Haigh. What a tragedy that tax money is being used to commit such atrocity against human families.

    @ Anonymous: It must be horrible to be you. To be so filled with hate must be unbearable. Perhaps you should give up your children and enter a mental hospital. You must be terribly abusive. I pity you and all who cross your path.

  20. Mother Teresa says:

    God bless you all lost children.
    Terrible this wo-man clearly has some serious history & all you others do is harass, challenge & shoot the messenger? makes you as bad.
    When a white dove delivers black news, shooting it does not rub out the truth.
    So please re-consider who you choose & embrace for friends as the tarring brush is ready.
    She will pay her price in hell & I sincerely pray for her children & trusted police do the right thing.
    God bless you all.
    Mother Teresa

  21. Tapestry says:

    A spiteful prayer with no information or evidence to back up its one-sidedness. Dismissed.

  22. BG expose says:

    BG

    Is this a biased unfair dishonest site?

    “WTF” So why remover this? :->>

    Tapestry what is your game?
    you seem to have totally lost your placed authority & impartiality here, This is a side of you i have never seen before, i really wonder what this means about you ? are you in Vickys employ? corrupt-ably singing the song of the highest bidder. All this is starting to stink to high hell. i smell a rat with all this here, After all the known MP corruption, this looks so familier. Got to be a story an expose here, some real corruption. someone needs to be doing some digging not shooting the messenger. Vicky’s steeped in history a merky world, can only be a can of worms if you ask me, at some 50 years an old old bag of secrets. AVOID Tapestry if your name has any value left at all.
    Or just keep this comedy on a roll may make the stars front page.
    some 50 year old Granny’s baby auction for horses,lost aspiring MP’s lost cause. total joke

  23. Tapestry says:

    The weak part of the judge’s decision is when he says that she should not have communicated her story through the internet or through Parliament. What the hell else is the mother to do? And what’s the difference between the internet and any other communication channel?

    If his decision rests on that, he’snot working well.

    As for the allegations implying a mother can teach a daughter to call a father a paedophile, how would a girl of 5/6/7 even know what it was unless it had happened to her?

    I know. It must be true. It’s in the papers.

  24. Anonymous says:

    The weak part of the THIRD judges decision don’t you mean, confirming this man is innocent of any wrong doing.

    Obviously you have no trust in the British Justice system, but do you really think all three are deliberatly assisting in the abuse of a child? Not to mention all the other people involved in the case. The father must have some serious connections, and a relative in the force doesn’t quite cut it for me. He must be royalty to pull those type of strings.

    How would the child know you ask? How do you think? We train our children to do everything, to eat, sleep and go to the toilet. How do some young children have racist views, or believe stealing is ok? How do child soldiers pick up AK47’s and murder people. Is it because they want to, or because they are being manipulated by adults? Have you never heard of brain-washing? It occurs at many different levels, in general children trust their parents, if you tell them something is wrong they believe you. They do not have to experience it to believe it – until they get older and go their own way that is.

    Have you ever considered you could be wrong? What then?

  25. Tapestry says:

    A 3 year old boy can understand what a gun is. But how does a three or five year old child know what sex is?

    Please explain. I’d be fascinated to hear of any way that doesn’t involve actually doing it to the child.

  26. Anonymous says:

    I assume you do not have children or you would not need to ask. There are many different ways to teach any subject, it just takes time, and usually repetition from a trusted source.

    I learned about the birds and the bees before actually having sex, didn’t you? A child may not understand the full implications of the subject but, come on, they start using lego/building blocks preschool, so most kids can understand the concept of A fits in B.

    As far as the 3 yr old understanding guns, my point is that adults can manipulate children by brainwashing. He knows its a gun because at an early age I tell him it’s a gun. if I tell him it’s a banana, then it’s a banana until he finds out otherwise.

    If mummy says what daddy does is wrong and illegal, and repeat it enough a child will believe mummy. Even if all daddy is doing is painting a fence. It’s because children trust. All parents know this but few abuse this trust, we only teach them truths. Eventually children will learn the truth themselves, but at what age depends on many things.

  27. Tapestry says:

    Lego and rape.
    Hardly the same, unless you believe under 5’s are capable of consensual sex.

  28. Anonymous says:

    Lego and rape? We weren’t talking about rape and I never mentioned it. You asked how children can be taught without experiencing something, nothing of rape or consensual sex.

    Do not twist my words again. If you need to resort to that you have already lost the debate. You seem overly selective on the points you will respond to.

    What about the racist child, or the thief? How do they end up in our society if they are not manipulated by adults? What about brain washing? Are you saying it doesn’t exist?

    If you have travelled too far down a road to now consider that you MAY be wrong, then so be it – just say that. Otherwise, try sticking to the point and add some substance to your side.

  29. Tapestry says:

    Not rape? Are you suggesting sex with children can be consensual? I’m afraid I differ. Sex with a child is rape……end of story.

    How could a five year old know what rape was unless they’d experienced it?

  30. Anonymous says:

    Oh dear, poor you! You seem to be stuck in a loop.

    I have tried to engage you in intellectual debate and find you unable to reciprocate.

    Simple questions:

    1. Have you heard of brainwashing?

    2. Do you believe children can be manipulated into telling lies?

  31. Dear Tap Blogger

    Liz Watson is out of prison and after 10 horrible days would like to ensure that she remains out.

    The only legal reason “they” can dream up is the “protection of the child”.

    Hence it is VITAL that you please change the child’s name to just “R”.

    For similar reasons I set the Vicky Haigh site and another child snatching site to “private”. That’s why my links don’t work any more.

  32. Anonymous says:

    BG expose said:-
    Well said “anonymous” & “AT LAST” it needed to be said Alloud.
    I KNOW that Vicky haigh has studied & with highly known NLP People,
    That’s people “Brainwashing” for good OR Bad.
    Vicky Haigh “IS NO ANGEL”
    she has a criminal history & criminal friends.
    children may repeat things but it does NOT mean that they have a deep meaningful Adult understanding or ramifcations or long term impact upon them selves eg loosing their only “1” loving real Daddy, their worldly NEEDED anchor in life.
    Alsoplease bear in mind the word paedophile is Known as a covert EASY way of controlling, ruining & destroying any MAN please do web searches for FBI CIA stuff. Ken

  33. Tapestry says:

    I see Vicky Haigh as fairly simple soul, not the sophisticated intellectual calculating machine portrayed above.

    Here is the latest from Sabine McNeill…

    Dear Signers of the Petition The Secrecy of Family Courts should be Lifted Now,

    My heart is heavy as I’m writing to you, for the sequence of events that have touched me recently has been ‘tough’:

    1. WWII Veteran Norman Scarth has been in solitary confinement since 26th July – with his appeal hearing scheduled tomorrow in Court 5 at 10.30 at the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand

    a. His petition has been signed by 2,562 mainly “disgusted” supporters. But will it be enough to get him released?

    2. On August 22th Elizabeth Watson was committed to Holloway prison and released after 10 days and paying a hefty lawyers’ bill

    a. She has gathered all the evidence necessary to commit key players around and within Doncaster Council to prison, if only the Police were to prosecute the case of Vicky Haigh’s daughter in the child’s interest!

    b. As Doncaster Council gagged me, too, I set the Vicky Haigh site to “private” eventually. Do press on Register, if you want to gain access.

    3. And now Maurice Kirk has taken on the M-Family – according to Ian Josephs, publisher of Forced Adoption, the worst of all family court cases. And he knows. He’s helped families since the 60s! At 79, still some 3 cases a day…

    a. Christopher Booker has written 10 articles about the M-family in The Telegraph

    b. Here again, I have obtained a gag threatening me with prison. And since a third party threatened me, too, I decided “enough’s enough” and set the blog to “private”

    c. But I wrote about it on the support blog I built for Maurice

    d. Maurice wrote about his experiences with the parents in London on Tuesday and Wednesday on his own website.

    4. As a Conservative, he has always believed in the right politicians and the right judges being able to sort “the system” out.

    a. But petition comments on The Brokenness of the Justice System seem to indicate that a lot more has to happen than letting cameras in for judgements!…

    5. Dora & Phil Thompson are challenging Walsall Council to take them to court.

    How can we go forward as “Advocates of The Rule of Law and The Public Interest”?

    Do we need to form a group that takes Councils to court???

    Meanwhile, I have, of course, written to Kenneth Clarke and copied the few MPs who are open to family court issues. I’m also building Exposure Online as a much more sophisticated website where victims can interact with each other and deposit evidence.

    Should you have any other comment, I’d gladly accept hope and encouragement!

    Yours with continued passion, commitment and perseverance,

    Sabine

  34. Anonymous says:

    BG expose said:-

    Ha Ha Ha

    Tapestry said…
    I see Vicky Haigh as fairly simple soul, not the sophisticated intellectual calculating machine portrayed above.

    Ha Ha Ha

    please you are clearly deluded.
    you clearly dont know the real Vicky she has a real history of lies & deceit.

    At last she is being seen for what she really is a Nuro Linguistic Programmer. She is a Closer. Scammer & Thief. & so much more.

    British law is all we have without it? what are we left with?

    Vicky needs STOPPING.

    Historically many loved & were deceived by hitler.

    Please see the light let the system deal with this double dealing NUTTER. Ken

  35. Anonymous says:

    Justice has STILL NOT been done in this case and will not be complete until Ms Vicky Haigh has faced trial for what she put this father through. I am willing to bet that never happens. It SHOULD happen but the chances are So So So slim to zero.
    Yep she got away scot free.
    this sends a message to all invoking CRIME & pain to another Human being is a free for all & fair game ARE “YOU” NEXT!!!!!

  36. Anonymous says:

    HER (Ex) HUSBAND MUST HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH HELL,(Also consider his suffering MUM & Dad etc).
    TO HAVE HIS OWN CHILD ACCUSING HIM OF THIS VILE ACT.
    HIS WIFE , SHE IS AN EVIL COW AND I HOPE SHE GETS THE JUSTICE SHE DESERVES AND THE PILLOCKS IN PARLIAMENT RETRACT THEIR STATEMENTS PUBLICLY AND ENSURE THIS SCARRED FAMILY MAN GETS HIS NAME CLEARED.
    Ha Ha Ha what am i thinking, ha pig might FLY.

  37. Anonymous says:

    I PERSONALLY HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS WOMAN, SHE TRAINED MY RACEHORSE, ALONG WITH ANOTHER OWNER WHILE SHE WAS WITH RICHARD BUDGE AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT OUR EXPERIENCE WAS NOT VERY GOOD, SHE IS DEFINATELY SOMEONE TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS,BECAUSE IT WILL COST YOU IN THE END, I JUST FEEL SORRY FOR THE CHILD AND INNOCENT

  38. Tapestry says:

    86.10.64.# (NTL Internet) Nottingham.

  39. Anonymous says:

    “The father is entitled to tell the world, and the world is entitled to know, that he is not a paedophile, that he has not sexually abused his daughter and that the allegations made against him are false,”

    “Allegations of sexual abuse were first made by the mother and not by X,” the judge said. “These were false and the mother knew them to be false.”

    He added: “X was coached by the mother to make allegations of sexual abuse against the father.

    A very sad and very tragic story and a child who has been used as a pawn and will suffer the damage for a long while.

    However the more curious aspect comes through Haigh’s use of a so-called ‘investigator’, Elizabeth Watson who

    proceeded to ignore court orders by making the “scandalous allegations” public, disclosing information which “compromised the well-being” of a child.

    Watson, of Bournemouth, Dorset, was jailed for nine months for contempt of court after the hearing heard she sent council staff involved “aggressive, intimidating” emails which found their way on to websites

    I had the ‘pleasure’ of seeing Watson’s website – I have no idea if it is still up or not – and it is a bile-filled hate-fest against social workers in general of the ilk that isn’t uncommon on the internet if you do a bit of basic digging.

  40. Anonymous says:

    From a Grandma.
    I am so troubled i have asked for this to be presented.
    Hello Tapestry, Sabine K McNeill, etc Please could you find time to help me.
    will you ever apologise or reconsider your damaging indifferent position?
    i have a son whom I’ve always loved & am proud of, he’s my pride & joy.
    To hear the great news that he was to make me a grandma made me & grandad so happy.
    Unfortunatly it all turned to hell when his partner started to accuse him of inhuman acts on our grandaughter this has brought great pain to my family and has broken my heart on so many levels, my husband has had deep distress also due to all this , im sure its all aged us so much i have been informed that stress like this can cut short peoples lives that means, i we won’t be around to fully enjoy our grand child. no money in the world will buy back the years we’re going to loose.
    I have been told that people like you seem to have put all your names to support this Vile vicky & from what i have read seems to be true & unchanged.
    I feel you are so shallow, i am lost to understand what you all thought you were doing.
    i have even noted messages here stating she had behaved bad in the past.
    to this you only ridicule. why do you dig a hole to only digg deeper & deeper regardless of the harm here caused to innocent people??? shame on you.

  41. Tapestry says:

    86.10.71.# (NTL Internet)
    Nottingham.
    comments above from same source as earlier comments.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Strange how Ms Narinder Dhillion, sorry Ms Victoria Dhillion or even Ms Victoria Haigh were never exposed?

    http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/905935337

    Spital Croft Farm Wilsic
    Wadworth
    Doncaster
    South Yorkshire
    DN11 9AQ

    There is more if you can even be bothered to look.

    Seems she is no spring chicken.

    The silence since she’s been found out, sorry EXPOSED “is deafening”

    Ken

  43. Anonymous says:

    Latest UPdate,

    Medusa was just a pale shadow of this acrid Victoria
    A FREE 3 year Holiday Ha “AT LAST”

    http://www.illmosis.net/art.php?art=medusa-cv1_2010&style=scrollboss

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075720/Vicky-Haigh-Former-racehorse-trainer-jailed-contacting-daughter-following-bitter-custody-battle.html

    Ken

    PS. Tap any chance of an apology Henry????

  44. Anonymous says:

    Does anyone know what the evidence was that convinced the Court that the childs allegations were not true? And they must have been generated by the mother’s coaching? And was the father arrested and charged when the allegations were first made or didn’t the police believe them even at that stage?

  45. Anonymous says:

    This update may help-

    http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk

    A note on the Vicky Haigh case
    The case of Vicky Haigh has made lurid headlines today. She is the woman publicly named and shamed by Lord Justice Wall, the President of the Family Division, after making “entirely false” and “scandalous” allegations about her former partner. She accused him of sexually abusing their young daughter.

    The Court could not have come out more strongly against Vicky Haigh and her supporters. There will still be those who side with her. As for me: based on what I have read in the newspapers today, I find this to be one of the most repugnant cases I have ever come across.

    I am sorry to say that it is not the only case of women behaving badly that I have encountered. Over the years I have, on occasion, come across other women who are prepared to stoop this low. There is, perhaps, a taboo about discussing women who behave badly. But during a family breakdown both sexes can behave towards each other with conduct so bad, it beggars belief. So in this post, which I understand is likely to prove contentious, let’s look at how women can behave.

    For MORE full story See:-

    http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk/2011/08/vicky-haigh-case/

    Ken

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